I’m thinking a shotgun with bird shot loads is the way to go here. Much less penetration than pistol ammo or 00 buckshot.
What say ye?
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Discussed here by LEOs
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=8657750#post8657750
I think anything other than 00 buck or slugs are a bad idea.
I think the SG is a bad idea compared to a 5.56mm SBR, which I think is ideal for apartment defense.
Personally my go to gun is a 9mm Glock but I keep either a 5.56mm AR or AK in a high state of readiness.
And yes, I live in an apartment and have put a bit of thought into it.
This perp did not last long…
http://www.polyshok.com/journal_of_forensic_sciences.htm
I take it your using a low grain JHP in the Glock?
I can see the SBR with a low grain JHP, but the noise is an issue. 556 is loud enough, adding it to a SBR inside an enclosed area = hearing damage.
I prefer a 12g with 00 buckshot.
Im very intrigued by this load. Seems they wont sell to civies though.
Speer Gold Dot 124 gr. +P in the Glock.
An SBR makes the addition of a suppressor that much more practical. Anyway, I’ll worry about any potential hearing loss later.
I’m currently carrying the exact load in my SigPro 2022.
If you’re going to use a shotgun take a look at using #4 or #1 buckshot of the 2 3/4" variety. Leave the birdshot for birds. It makes a nasty looking wound, but in reality it leaves superficial wounds. Even an ugly chick gets lucky sometimes, just like sometimes people get lucky with birdshot. I’d rather not rely on luck. Just my opinion YMMV.
i am in the process of moving from a house into an apartment, and am going through the same dilemma. using 00 buck now but that’s not going to be practical anymore. was thinking either a lighter 12 gauge load (maybe low recoil) or going with my .45, or even 55gr hp in my carbine
I would use an AR with TAP for the least chance of killing your neighbors.
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That’s what I use - sometimes in the AR, sometimes in the AK-102 (1/7 barrel)…
firing an AR in an apartment = permanent hearing damage?
I mentioned before that, yes, it’s a distinct possibility. An SBR allows for a suppressor and retains compact size - otherwise, I’ll worry about hearing loss after the fight is won.
I’ve been on a stack of guys that have gone into a room and opened up with M4s inside a shoot house while wearing no ear protection.
It’s not a pleasant experience, but it didn’t blow out my eardrums or knock me unconscious.
In other words, you may well experience some hearing damage…but it isn’t likely to be serious damage that really degrades your hearing. I still have very sharp hearing.
In the moment where you need to use an AR to stop a threat hearing loss shouldn’t even be on the menu of things to worry about. Your plate will already be plenty full.
I keep my 11.5" AR next to the bed loaded with Hornady TAP 55gr (Red box, .223).
If you’ve never seen it, it’s worth the effort to make up a few sections of fake wall (sheet rock, wall paper, wood frame, air space between the sheet rock). With TAP, you get one .223 hole going in, and several tiny holes comming out. Those fragments will have less likelihood of killing an innocent on the other side of that wall than anything else propelled by smokeless powder you will put through it.
I’m pretty sure that shooting ANY centerfire firearm inside an apartment without a sound suppressor is definitely getting you a severe case of tinnitus and some hearing loss.
Is anyone really going to stop to think about their hearing loss when they are busy shooting someone? I’ve done plenty of stupid things that have given me permanent hearing damage, I don’t think I’ll stop to put on earmuffs when I hear someone breaking in.
While I don’t live in an apartment I live in a soft sided house(not brick) in a densely populated area. I run 60 gr. TAP LE in my 14.5 LMT and 165 Speer gold dot jhp in my G23. I figure if I do my part and hit my intended target that I’ll not have too much to worry about in regards to liability from over penetration. IMHO the last thing I am worried about is hearing damage. If I am shooting someone in my place they are an immediate threat to me and my family so I’ll deal with hearing loss later.