I seem to recall reading somewhere (I forget where, I think it was here or on lf.net) that when the HK45C was being evaluated for adoption that there were some complaints about the pistol’s double action trigger pull, that H&K was aware of these complaints, and was planning a fix…
So, my question, was there a fix? Did H&K improve the double-action triggers on their HK45CTs and did this carry over to the commercial production guns?
Thanks!
Not unless you like a 12# DA trigger pull…I converted my .45ct to light LEM… much nicer…
I am completely unfamiliar with DA/SA guns; so please excuse my ignorance.
Is it not possible to carry in Condition 1, therefore allowing for SA operation only?
It’s possible… but not very smart.
What’s the difference between that and carrying a 1911 Condition 1?
HK45/c is fitted with a thumb safety, so yes it is possible to carry a-la 1911 cocked and locked.
However if I recall correctly, the HK45C “mk24” is a V3 which means NO-safety, decock only, with the lever on the left side. Most of my HKs are set up this way.
I’m not sure if the commercial “mk24’s” were V3 as well.
You can get the HK45CT with the safety. But I’m not fond of running H&Ks (except maybe the P30S) the way I run a 1911… the thumb safety just isn’t comfortable for me to rest my thumb on!
Only reason I ask is because of the relative difficulty of getting the HK45CT (or any HK45, actually) with any trigger but the DA/SA with safety. LEM (with no lever) would be my first choice. And if I gotta buy a DA/SA and convert it, I will, but I would prefer not to….
Because not carrying a 1911 is not smart…
The main complaint about the HK45c or any HK DA/SA trigger is the weight of the DA pull. As for the HK45c specifically, there was a small run that had a false reset which could cause you to short stroke the trigger. HK is aware of it and will fix it as far as I know. My HK45 has the LEM trigger which I much prefer to their DA/SA offerings.
I always carry mine cocked and locked. But I practice both ways. The trigger is heavy but smooth. Great dry fire practice trigger. Lol
I carry mine cocked and locked as well. Mine is an HK45C, not the 45CT. I believe that the HK45CT can be carried D/A first shot only, and the safety only functions as a decocker. As always, I may be wrong.
The NSW issued HK45CT (never heard of it referred to as a Mk24, personally) is DA/SA DECOCK ONLY - so carrying SA (holstering hammer back) would probably cause my Russian friends to say “diss iss Prohblehm…”
Civilian versions with safety/decock or safety only can (and probably should, based on my issued pistol) be carried cocked & locked. The DA on my issued pistol was in excess of 14#.
Regards,
Kevin
I have 2 HKCTs, sequential serials. I’m not sure of the version (V1?) since HK’s classifications confuse the hell out of me, but the safety lever functions as both: a safety and a decocker (safe - up, decock - down). It can be safely carried SA for the first shot.
This is why I will never understand complaints about the DA pull of HK’s. You can carry cocked and locked, and if anything, I think that’s both the best and safest way to carry (especially for police/military in the case of gun takeaways). Then, in the worst of worst-case scenarios, the DA still allows you second-strike capability.
Personally, I love my DA/SA HK’s. Haters gonna hate.
I believe Grant explained to me via E-mail that the tactical’s only come from the factory in DA/SA. I bought my .45ct more or less on impulse, But, after I got it and shot it (mostly in SA) and seeing that it’s very accurate, I changed it to light LEM…(my P-2000, and P-30 are both light LEM) I’m afraid that if you want a .45ct in LEM, you’ll either have to do it yourself or send it to HK and have them do it…
Didn’t even shoot mine until Gray Guns did a full action and trigger job on it. Single action is around 4lbs and the double action is around 8-9 lbs. This is one of the finest .45’s I’ve ever shot!
The Mark 24 is v3 which makes it decocker only. The 45C is v1 which has the decocker and safety position.
That is good to hear. I have Bruce’s short reset package on 2 Sigs. Glad to know that the improvement is similar to the Sig’s.
However if I recall correctly, the HK45C “mk24” is a V3 which means NO-safety, decock only, with the lever on the left side. Most of my HKs are set up this way.
I’m not sure if the commercial “mk24’s” were V3 as well.
Correct the only one’s I’ve seen are V3 like mine below… There may be some available with the safety, not sure.
I believe Grant explained to me via E-mail that the tactical’s only come from the factory in DA/SA.
Yes, i’ve only seen models without the safety.
The DA on my issued pistol was in excess of 14#.
I’ve never measured my pull weight, but there is a hammer spur there if you prefer not to endure the DA pull, SA is a pretty nice trigger.
Exhibit A:
The NSW models (Mk24) are V3s, but that does not mean civilian models are only V3s. Like I said above, there are HK45CT V1s (w/ safety) as well. I have two of them.
Heck, you can see them right here on EuroOptic’s webpage (which is where I got mine from since I live in PA; only linking as evidence that HK45CT V1s exist).
http://www.eurooptic.com/hk-pistols.aspx
I much prefer the V1s so I can carry cocked and locked.
HKs have never been known for uber light and smooth DA pulls put of the box. They can improve with use or spring changes.
Bruce Gray and his crew at GGI to amazing work on HKs. My three HKs are all light LEM and have the GGI reduced reset action work.
HKs variant numbers can be confusing, as it changes between USP/HK45 and P2000/P30s - for example a V1 P30 is Light LEM but a V1 HK45 is DA/SA w/ safety & decocker.
Another note is USP/HK45 series can be changed back and forth from variant to variant - aka, DA/SA TO LEM, dual side safety, single side, etc, etc. The P2000/P30s have no factory supported action changes, although some limited changes can & have been done.
Just LEM it.
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