100% spot on.
How about the uppers, their supposed to be selling those as well?
Hk needs to offer ALL NFA bbl lengths with the MR556, or AT LEAST the 14.5 for those who want to pin/weld the FH for non NFA purposes.
Like the SCAR, the 16" civvi bbl sticking WAY out of the undersized (ie TOO SHORT) rail just doesn’t work on the MR556.
I would not include the XCR in that trio. I know of no military or police unit that uses XCRs, and from what I have heard from many instructors and students, the XCRs have trouble making it through carbine classes at a much higher ratio than a top brand AR like a Colt, BCM, etc.
The Mil versions of the HK416 has been used in combat in harsh conditions. Can you say the same for the XCR?
I also would not include the ACR, because it is far from proven in production models.
That isn’t his point.
His point is he is comparing the most modern assault rifles and how the HK416 doesn’t have modern features like ambi and monolith.
The current state of the art in assault rifles is represented by the ACR, SCAR, XCR, FN2000, and the
AR15 Monolith.
The LWRC and HK416 are not in this group of the elite.
I think his point was that “the Elite” chose the 416 and the SCAR. The XCR, FN2000, ACR, not so much. Although I, who am decidedly unelite, like all these guns.
Shot the XCR and FS2000 quite a bit. My impressions were that the 2000 starts to hicup quite a bit after only a little dust exposure. The XCR that I put about 1000rds downrange had the ejector and barrel loosen up. Not what I would call elite either.
So, a monolith rail represents an “elite” rifle? Frankly, I’d rather rate a rifle as being “elite” based on its ability to withstand extreme environmental conditions and keep performing well with high round count shooting sessions… not how plentiful its attachment points for accessory toys are.
That’s just crazy talk!
This one made me scratch my head, and say “Huh?” WTFO? So the point is not that a carbine is battle proven in harsh conditions (the point you were rebutting), but that it has modern features like a monolithic upper and ambi safeties?
That post made my head hurt.
I wouldn’t put the XCR in any group I would call elite.
Design features are nice. Being combat proven or able to make it through a carbine class on a regular basis is much nicer.
Which “elite” chose the HK416?
I was not rebutting any point about a gun being battle proven.
The point is clear. The five guns I listed represent the state of the art in rifle design.
I am not saying they are or are not battle proven.
The US Army’s number 1 gunfighter unit who the gun was designed for, the FBI HRT among others.
Before we talk about state of the art design or convertable calibers, how about an XCR in one caliber that is as reliable and durable as a Colt 6920, never mind a 416 or a SCAR.
The Hk416 is four times more reliable than the M4, and dissipates heat better than anything Colt, FN or LWRC has made. I like the charging handle on the FN a bit better, but it doesn’t have a lot of real estate up top. Overall I’d rather have an HK. HK’s quality control is among the best in the industry, that’s why FN and HK have been winning competitive contracts for years.
If I could buy an IAR off the shelf for 3k, I’d buy one because of the extended rail system. I don’t know as though I’ll go for a 416 until I see the longer rails become available.
I’m well aware of that, Ed. :rolleyes:
Which will be or has been replaced by a SCAR.
It also weighs more and is harder on its bolt.
Yep, something always has to give with firearms. The 416 bolt groups I’ve seen were really solid, heavy duty units, haven’t heard of anyone busting one up yet.