Hello all…
I am new to the group, and although this is about an HK I have found some good information on this forum. I have a perfect, unfired (aside from the factory) pre-ban H&K 91. I have been reading about getting some trigger work done to it to improve the trigger feel and weight. Two that have come up regularly are Denny Williams and Bill Springfield. IT would be nice to have a little lighter and smoother trigger pull, but I do not want to affect the inherent collectible value of this rifle, as the only other things done to it are the addition of the factory claw mount with scope and a Magpul PRS2 stock. After looking at the Williams website, I am inclined to go with the “standard” package. It appears that all he really does in clean up and polish the trigger group for improved efficiency. As this is not really altering the original trigger group, would this really affect value, or add to it? What are peoples thoughts on this. SteyrAUG mentioned something about the value on another post, but it was a while ago and didn’t say much more than to buy a surplus trigger and use that. But, if I can make the original work better and not affect value., I would prefer that route. ANy thoughts or ideas are welcome. Thanks.
Let make sure I’m hearing you right. You have an unfired safe queen that has an unacceptable trigger? If you are trying to add stuff so it can one day have a longer list of goodies when you put it up for-sale…why not. So this is an investment question?
HAHA…I am not quite sure. I don’t want it to be a safe queen. I have read so many things about how great of a rifle it is. To be honest, I have never fired it. But it is a very utilitarian feeling trigger…as it should be…it is a battle rifle. But, if there is something I can do to make it feel less that way, without affecting the collectible value of it, then why not?
If it is a totally ridiculous idea, tell me. I am sure that firing the rifle with the current trigger is fine. The only reason I thought about it was because there were so many topics on making the trigger feel better on a 91.
So, not really an investment question…rather will cleaning up the trigger, without altering it outright, affect the value of this gun? If doing so would, then I will deal with the trigger as is and enjoy the rifle as is. I know this is not your everyday Bushmaster AR platform rifle, and altering it will affect its inherent collectors value. And they are too expensive to buy another “used” HK 91 to use at the range.
If you are worried about it by another trigger pack from RTG parts and go to town. They are pretty cheap.
That being said I would not be messing with an original HK. You can by a PTR clone for right around at $900.00 that will never have any collector value.
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Would you be concerned firing it at all? I mean, these are rifles originally designed for battle (G3 civilian-ized). Should I just not ever shoot it? I understand how to maintain a rifle and to take care of it, clean it, lubricate, etc…that being said…can I take this Safe Queen out to the range on occasion?
That’s up to you and how strongly you feel about keeping it newish.
Some people worship there old HK rifles and never shoot them and only hold them with kid gloves. Others shoot the snot out of them and treat them like old beater AKs.
Depends what you want. Do you want an HK shooter, a collector item, or an HK type shooter.
If it was me and I just wanted a shooter I would look at selling it to someone who cares about it being an original HK take the money buy a PTR and have some work done on it by investment grade firearms. Or buy a scar 17. If you really don’t care. Shoot it. It was a rifle designed to be shot.
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I know there are many who shoot the snot out of any rifle. I suppose I am wondering if you can have your cake and eat it too. CAn I shoot it, take care of it AND retain the value.
If it is truly unfired and completely original, then yes, shooting it will decrease the value to a collector. The claw mounts have already left their marks on the receiver, but maybe not much since it hasn’t been fired with the claw on. If you’re worried about value, don’t shoot it.
If you want a reliable and effective rifle, and don’t care what it’s worth, then shoot it. Trigger packs are cheap, you can buy one and have it modded and still be able to put the unaltered pack back in, if you want to preserve that option. I do trigger work on all my roller guns, but I do my own, so I’m not much help on Bill vs Williams.
Can’t be done. As soon as the rifle is no longer “factory original” the value will be cut by about 30%, even more if you have a NIB or “like new” example.
Keep in mind that trigger is like that for a reason. It is a military trigger meeting “drop test” specifications. Every rifle isn’t an AR-15 and people need to stop trying to turn every rifle into an AR-15.
Buying an extra trigger pack for this modification is not cost prohibitive and that way you can return the rifle to original correct configuration with all original parts any time you wish. Just keep in mind a HK91 with a trigger modification will likely discharge if dropped.
As soon as you put round one through a NIB HK 91, the value will drop. Any deviation from HK spec, the value will drop. Attach a claw scope mount to the receiver (scratching the paint), the value will drop. If you want to shoot an HK 91, I would sell the NIB gun to someone who wants an NIB gun, and buy a cherry used one and enjoy. People will pay stupid prices for a NIB gun with all accessories.
Steyr, Your points are very good. I think I will leave the trigger as is. IT worked so well for so many others, best just leave it alone. AS far as using the rifle, I do not plan on dropping it, it is stored in a safe and transported in a hard, foam line case. I just cannot help but fire this beauty. I was always taught to buy nice things, use them and take good care of them. Although it is NIB condition, with many moves, we no longer have the original packing for it. I am going to add the aftermarket PRS2 magpul stock for some added length and raised cheek. But the original stock will go back in the safe and remain unused. The only guns I own that I will not shoot are a perfect, apparantly unfired, Remington Rand 1911 and 6" blue python NIB. The resxt can be used and taken care of. Again, it was made to be fired, taken care of and fired again (…and again and again)! Thanks for the thoughts.
Keep in mind nobody intends to drop a rifle, I was just letting you know why the HK trigger is the way it is.
As for shooting it, it’s been test fired at the factory anyway. Proving NIB can be difficult sometimes as a result, especially if you no longer have the box, pristine accessories, cardboard barrel string, and things like that. So essentially you have a “like new” or “very excellent condition” rifle and might as well enjoy shooting it.
Great…that is what I really wanted to hear! AS you seem to be a seasoned HK owner…I am interested in the B&T foreward tri-rail (BT 21042). Are you aware of whether this would fit on my rifle with no issue? IT only references the G3. I know they are virtually the same rifle, but I do not want to spend the money if it will not be a perfect fit (that being I will only have to swap out a couple screws). Not to change my subject too much, but do you (Steyr) have any thoughts on that rail? I cannot seem to find any others, aside from the UTG, which I feel the quality is not as high as the B&T
Bill Springfield turned my buddies PTR into a machinegun. Not reliably, just 1-5 rounds at a pull. For what it’s worth the G3 is actually relatively flat shooting on auto.
Williams Trigger Specialties is your friend. I had him put a set trigger in my PTR91 years ago; breaks like a good AR trigger now.
For what it’s worth the G3 is actually relatively flat shooting on auto.
Have to disagree with that.
For a 7.62? I’ll take it over an M14 on auto. It recoils like hell but doesn’t climb as badly as the competition–none of the shots escaped the berm.
Because of the way the sear resets, there is a fine line between a good trigger and not enough engagement to reach the hammer with the trigger held to the rear.
Williams does solid work if a “better” trigger is what your after…I put many thousand rounds thru a 91 he did for me in the 80’s…no issues on a sample of one.
I wouldn’t trust anyone else other than WTS with an HK 9x trigger group. Only other option Imo is a PSG1 group & that’s costly!
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