I’m stuck at hovering around 6.3-6.8. I know one drill doesn’t make you a shooter, but call it a personal goal since I’m a firm believer in the “what one man can do, another can do” mantra. So, those that are in the 5’s and under-
What carry method are you using? I’m aware of the Indian and arrow and agree, but I’m still interested. Thanks
I got nothing.
But I saw the title of your post and opened it thinking that you had SHOT a ceiling while doing a FAST drill.:eek:
Sorry.
:o
Shooting from AIWB or an IDPA style concealment set up is generally ideal for maxing draw speed.
Break down the components of the drill to find out where you are lacking or need work. For example, for a 5 or sub 5 second run you would need a 1.5 sec draw, .5 split, 2 sec reload and .25 splits on the body. On this type of drill, I’ve found cutting down time on your draw and reload often pay the biggest immediate dividends.
Work on your draw speed and first shot placement/consistency.
I haven’t come close to under 5, but under 6 is pretty doable. The carry mode is appendix.
Obviously, the answer is breakdown of components. My observation is that reload is what holds most people. I’ve done first two on 3x5 at 2.02 a few times, and some more at 2.12, and that’s generally on schedule for a sub-5 run, but 2.5 sec reloads kill me.
Thanks Matt. I’m using a g19 in a AHolster Co. holster. My hangup is definitely in my mag change. I’ve got a dual mag carrier behind the left hip and no matter what t-shirt im wearing, it seems like it gets caught on it. Do you ever just pull from a back pocket?
Thanks guys, ill go back over my times- I’m getting a clean 1.5~ on first shot, I just can’t get to that second mag fast enough.
My understanding of the FAST drill is that you shouldn’t be practicing it to beat some arbitrary time “standard”.
You should be practicing as you would otherwise.
Quite honestly, practicing to meet that standard is somewhat counterproductive. Why would you shoot the head first than follow up with shots to the body? I think if you reversed the drill, you would find it easier to achieve and a more tactically sound drill.
Focus your time on other drills rather than meeting some arbitrary standard. Maybe come back to it once a month, just to see where you stand.
At some point gear does make a difference. If your shirt is hanging up your reload that would be an obvious place to look for a gear/carry solution. I think the inconsistencies in back pocket carry would cause more trouble. Once you are working with your gear as smoothly as possible it becomes a matter of breaking down and working on the different components. I’m just an average shooter at best, but this has helped me lower my time significantly. YMMV
He’s trying to improve his time on that drill, so long as he’s doing it right and applying ‘proper’ technique, then (in my opinion) he’s being productive and, most likely improving; nothing wrong with that.
As I recall, TLG himself says you don’t practice to beat the time (though I’m sure he does).
That said what’s the tactical advantage to shooting the head first than the body?
Shoot the bigger target first (CoM), no effect? Move to the head. Not the other way around.
It’s tactically more sound to simply shoot headshots only.
In general this is the problem I have with these rather arbitrary tests. People train to a standard, thinking they’re going to be a badass, only to find out that they shoot that drill very well, to the detriment of everything else.
In my opinion, because it isn’t about a human target at a fixed distance, but rather the critical skills of pistol employment condensed into a single drill.
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I think we can agree that the faster (while not sacrificing accuracy) the better.
This thread is about the F.A.S.T. drill, that’s how the drill is run…
Bingo.
Sure, as a test, I see it’s value, but isn’t he practicing those critical skills no matter what time he shoots?
Running it as a continuous drill to try and beat an arbitrary time doesn’t add up to me.
Lots of different drills achieve the same thing. Tell me why practicing headshots only i.e. Bang-reload-bang, not do the same thing?
This thread is about the F.A.S.T. drill, that’s how the drill is run…
Really? No kidding.
I’m at 5.5ish, my last try was cold, but had a miss on the head. My splits on the body were slow tho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSU4REG3bXg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I actually follow ‘the rules’ on this drill, and don’t practice it at all, just use it as a cold test with actual carry gear, even tho a closed front shirt is slower. Other drills I will game the hell out of.
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Agreed.
I find the value in exposing deficiencies
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fwiw/imho:
I agree, running the drill both ways is a major plus to sight/trigger discipline. Both ways are good and should be practiced.
BUT, for the sake of the thread and to stay on topic: Your draw/first shot time is gtg . . . . as stated its the reload thats holding up the times. But, the reload is that big time black hole . . . . honestly, it took me a crap load of shirt rips and dry reloads to reduce my reload time from concealment.
To Add/imho:
Might sound strange, but “slow down”, break it down . . . and not just each shot, but each movement. Run it slow and ramp up.
I’ve timed myself on a mad dash . . . . “slow is smooth, smooth is fast” = Smooth Wins on the clock and mental focus. . . . . . TRUST ME I was wtf-ing my timer the first time I did this.
Not faster, smoother
The TOP NOTCH shooters I have seen smoke these drills, do the above, just “Smoother” . . . . . . = Making them FASTER 
Keep us posted 