Help My Father See the Error of His Ways

[GermanSynergy]

Guesss I’m lucky- my old man’s first AR was a Noveske N4 with Aimpoint Comp M4. He’s into high end bows, so a high end AR was only logical.

[skyugo]

@120mm

You may also have “powdered-butt” syndrome in action.

That’s when people who change someone’s diapers when they are a baby don’t care to listen to those same people’s advice, later when they are an adult.

:D:D awesome.

[Jupiter]

@Iraqgunz

There is absolutely nothing you or we can do to change his mind. Some people refuse to listen to reason. So my advice would be to let him put his POS build together and when it takes a dump then just say “I told you so”. Then ask him if he wants to do it right the next time.

The thing is, a lot of folks never run a rifle hard enough to ever see the difference. That is why the " My DPMS is just as good" threads keep poping up.

[Iraqgunz]

I have seen some of these weapons choke right out of the box as well as new builds that were just put together. So…

@Jupiter

The thing is, a lot of folks never run a rifle hard enough to ever see the difference. That is why the " My DPMS is just as good" threads keep poping up.

[BufordTJustice]

@Iraqgunz

I have seen some of these weapons choke right out of the box as well as new builds that were just put together. So…

Me too. Can’t tell you how many guns I’ve encountered that, according to the owner, NEVER ran right.

OP, your desire to help your dad get the most for his money is proper. There is no nobility in allowing a friend to risk losing ALL of his/her investment. That’s exactly what the dad is doing.

At the least, a Spike’s will run well (or he can take it BACK).

If you were my friend, and I wanted to piece-meal a POS gun together for $550-$650 but could get a gun that WILL RUN and run well for another $150…I would consider it your job to change my mind and save my ass best you can. If you just stood by while I my the money and didn’t warn me, I would tell you to fuck off after my POS took a dump at the range.

You can’t force your dad to buy a quality gun (for not much more), but I’d consider it your duty to warn him from buying something that is very likely not to work right. Shit, I’d almost say by a Bushy instead of building a cheap rifle out of bargain bin parts…at least you can call somebody and bitch if it doesn’t work. At least there’s a remedy. Who do you blame when your gun-show-special parts gun doesn’t work?

I guess I feel strongly about this for personal reasons. My dad was going to buy an el-cheapo semi-auto european knock-off shotty. I convinced him to stick with a Remmy 1187. He has since thanked me more times than he can count. He took a lot of initial ridicule from his range buddies for ‘paying too much’. But guess who’s gun eats everything he feeds it and who’s guns are having issues. Yep. Dad sure is happy he paid another $200 for a gun that runs like stink, despite us having several ‘spirited’ conversations before he bought it. Dad commented on how shitty he would have felt if he had spent a good $500 like his buddies, but constantly had issues cycling with trap ammo. One of his buddies constantly opts-out of going shooting…and it’s obviously because his gun won’t run well. I’d have bruised pride too. My dad keeps telling him to get a better gun, but he’s having difficulty selling his CDNN euro special so he can get a Remmy, FN, or Mossberg because he’s got a family and can’t afford to get a new without selling what he has. It sucks for him.

[MistWolf]

@BufordTJustice

Me too. Can’t tell you how many guns I’ve encountered that, according to the owner, NEVER ran right.

OP, your desire to help your dad get the most for his money is proper. There is no nobility in allowing a friend to risk losing ALL of his/her investment. That’s exactly what the dad is doing.

At the least, a Spike’s will run well (or he can take it BACK).

If you were my friend, and I wanted to piece-meal a POS gun together for $550-$650 but could get a gun that WILL RUN and run well for another $150…I would consider it your job to change my mind and save my ass best you can. If you just stood by while I my the money and didn’t warn me, I would tell you to fuck off after my POS took a dump at the range.

You can’t force your dad to buy a quality gun (for not much more), but I’d consider it your duty to warn him from buying something that is very likely not to work right. Shit, I’d almost say by a Bushy instead of building a cheap rifle out of bargain bin parts…at least you can call somebody and bitch if it doesn’t work. At least there’s a remedy. Who do you blame when your gun-show-special parts gun doesn’t work?

I guess I feel strongly about this for personal reasons. My dad was going to buy an el-cheapo semi-auto european knock-off shotty. I convinced him to stick with a Remmy 1187. He has since thanked me more times than he can count. He took a lot of initial ridicule from his range buddies for ‘paying too much’. But guess who’s gun eats everything he feeds it and who’s guns are having issues. Yep. Dad sure is happy he paid another $200 for a gun that runs like stink, despite us having several ‘spirited’ conversations before he bought it. Dad commented on how shitty he would have felt if he had spent a good $500 like his buddies, but constantly had issues cycling with trap ammo. One of his buddies constantly opts-out of going shooting…and it’s obviously because his gun won’t run well. I’d have bruised pride too. My dad keeps telling him to get a better gun, but he’s having difficulty selling his CDNN euro special so he can get a Remmy, FN, or Mossberg because he’s got a family and can’t afford to get a new without selling what he has. It sucks for him.

Living well is the best revenge!

[Rattlehead]

@MistWolf

…Because when he’s gone, you’ll wish he was around still buying crap

100% agree with that. Let him buy what he wants, he’ll find out on his own when parts start falling off. No need to add insult to injury with an I told you so. Make suggestions, and having him reading up on here would definitely be a good place to start.

[chadbag]

I wish my dad wanted to build an AR15 type or go shoot anything at all.

To your problem. It has already been said more or less but I assume you have a higher quality gun. Take him shooting a few times and let him shoot yours. Tactfully point out the parts that make it run and feel as it does…

[FotoTomas]

I would work on him in a couple of different ways.

If he really wants to build a rifle then I would let him find the parts he wants at the price he wants to pay. I would then buy for him the better parts he needs and pay the difference. I lost count of the dollars my dad has fronted me during my life. Helping him get a good rifle at a bargain price is the least I can do.

Better yet…if he simply wants a good rifle for casual practice and home defense and thinks building one with inexpensive parts is the way to get it at a bargain price… surprise him and bring a complete carbine home for him as a gift. Your old man can not get one much cheaper than that and you will know he has something good to depend on while he is still with you. Later it might well be passed down to you and be even more memorable for your children.

[Mega]

@MistWolf

The single most important factor in this whole scenario is this- You love your dad. Don’t put your relationship with your dad in jeopardy. Let him build his rifle without argument. Offer your opinion when asked, but don’t argue. Let him run it and encourage him to shoot it. A lot. When something goes wrong, help him fix it. Don’t “I told you so” or criticize his choices, just let events take their natural course and be there for him. Same as you wanted from him when you were going your own stubborn way. That’s what I did with my dad when he bought the El Cheapo Blue Label Generic Brand. Because when he’s gone, you’ll wish he was around still buying crap

Good advice.

[sundance435]

You don’t even have to spend $800 to get a decent carbine, which is the sickening part. Unless you want to be obnoxiously cheap, you can build a decent carbine for $650-$750.

Cav Arms Lower - $89 from dsgarms.com
G&R Lower Parts Kit - $65ish
Bravo Company Upper - take your pick - carbine or middy $385 + $145for BCG and CH
Decent BUIS - $60-$100