It’s that time of year where I’m likely to pick up a new can.
Can someone help a brother out regarding SiCo’s attachment methods, as well as throw out some recommendations for a can?
This will be going on a 5.56.
I’m very happy with the Specwar for .556. Sound suppression was at a comfortable level and I didn’t experience too much POI shift from a 16" rifle. I could even remove hearing protection while standing 10 feet to the side of the rifle while it was being shot and not have any issues with the noise level.
I use the ASR mounts and they lock down solid. Once the suppressor cools down I am easily able to remove it from the muzzle device as well.
Thanks. No issues with the ASR mounts coming loose?
I haven’t experienced any issues with it. The locking mechanism on the suppressor once it’s threaded on seems to do it’s job well.
I have a few SiCo cans, Including a specwar 556 and an Omega. I find myself using my Omega for 5.56mm more than the specwar. Both run the ASR mount which I have found to be flawless and has never come loose on me personally. The specwar is heavy for a 5.56 can and I believe it weighs around 19oz. The Omega can run on .30 cals up to .300WM and has the same suppression ( to my ear) as the specwar but only weighs 14oz. I don’t think I’ve shot my specwar in the two years I’ve had my Omega. And if you really want the Omega can take a 5.56 endcap. The SiCo Omega is a very versatile can and the only negative I can see is the titanium sleeve if you’re doing mag dumps.
You may also want to look at the Saker if you want something without a titanium sleeve, and therefore a little more durable. If you do get a SiCo definitely go with the ASR Mount, not the MAAD Mount.
I’ve not had an issue with ASR mounts coming loose when installed with a firm turn of the wrench and Rocksett’d. You have to pay attention to the locking ring on the can itself and make sure that the can is fully threaded onto the mount before turning the ring. Properly done, I’ve never had an issue. I have seen SiCo cans flying down range because the owner thought they were securing locked.
My Omega does a great job with 5.56, but I have a Saker 5.56 pending as a dedicated .22 caliber can
I have one of the original Saker 556 cans. The weak point was the mount for sure, but after I got a Sandman-S, I also bought the Key-Mo adapter so my saker now uses the Dead Air Keymount system. If you are willing to pay the weight penalty, the Saker ASR now has the better of the two mounts, and the k version will be lighter and shorter. The Omega is a better all around can, but I think the Saker is the more rugged option. I honestly like the Dead Air mounts enough that I would seriously consider buying the Key-Mo anyway to use Dead Air mounts. You could sell the ASR mount and muzzle device and not be out too much additional money.
I would also go to an Omega (which I did and just got it back). It’s not that much bigger then the Saker and you can use it on just about everything.
I only shoot 9mm suppressed but I went with an Octane 45.
I shoot 5.56 and 6.5 creed but I got a can that will support up to .300 WM.
I got a dedicated .22 suppressor for shots and giggles.
I like having options and not limiting myself to one can to one gun.
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First day with my new Silencerco Specwar and the above happened to me. I sent an e-mail asking for repair or replacement, and asking what I did wrong, and they replied the same day by saying to send it to them. In addition, they explained that sometimes users may not mount it correctly even though they think it’s good to go, just like you say.
It was repaired for the cost of shipping only, about a 3-week turnaround. And now I know the difference between correct mounting and incorrect, as well as the consequences of getting it wrong.
I agree that the Key-mo mount is overall better than the Trifecta or ASR, although it’s longer. Unlike the ASR, the Key-mo can be used on a can mounted partially under the hand guard, which I like for short-barrel (under 10.5") 300BLK. Also, the Sandman suppressors themselves are very good.
Shooting an unsurpassed pistol too? Going to be shooting around anyone else who isn’t using a suppressor? Then max decibel reduction is kind of a moot point. Get something as light as you can. Omega or Saker K. I went Saker K because I didn’t think the extra $$$ for .30 cal capability and a slight reduction in decibels was worth the difference.
The Specwar’s are known to be quite but they are both heavy and discontinued. Anything you find is left over old stock. The new Saker ASRs are a several ounces lighter and just a touch louder.
The flying cans spook me a little bit.
Anyone have experience with the B.E. Meyers ASR? ANY advantages over the SiCo version?
Supposedly better flash suppression. But since you’re using a can over the top of it anyway…
And they ping. Badly. I watched 1 YouTube vid and decided immediately to stick with the SiCo factory flash hider.
I run the ASR brake for the recoil management properties without the can. When you want flash suppression run the can.
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I have an omega, specwar 556 and specwar 556k. I like them all. I’ve had no trouble with the ASR system. That doesn’t mean it’s the best but its been perfectly fine for my uses.
I have a Saker 7.62 with the MAAD mounting system on my bolt gun. They don’t make that mount anymore so I won’t waste time with details on it.
As far as suppression goes, it quiets my 23" 6.5 down to a level where I can shoot without earpro and not be uncomfortable (that’s not to say that it’s safe). I noticed a slight improvement in my groups but nothing substantial.
The thing is built like a brick shithouse and I have no doubt that it’ll still be on my guns decades from now.
You say to help you pick a SilencerCo can, but you’re not familiar with their attachment methods. How can you be sure you want a can from any particular manufacturer if you’re not familiar with their mounts?
I’m not a big fan of the ASR mount or the legacy Trifecta mount. In my opinion, both Dead Air and Rugged have better mounting systems (i.e. you really don’t hear about their cans flying downrange or getting stuck). I also like Griffin’s taper mount a lot due to its simplicity and light weight.
I’ve read way too many issues with the ASR to consider one of SilencerCo’s rifle cans. The mounting system is the weak link in QD rifle cans in my experience, and should be top priority in picking a certain can. Brand loyalty can get you burned.
Personally if you want a SiCo can look at either Omega/Hybrid.
SiCo ASR sucks, even before I got my approvals I never did like the ASR system. I have seen them go flying down range or stuck to the host rifle.
Just as I was about to buy the ASR mounts, DeadAir Key-mo system came out. So I had spare muzzle adapters and went with Key-mo. With single hand attachment its a no brainer, and I never see carbon build up on the taper point or threads. Yes its longer and a few ounces heavier but I believe dead air’s attachment system is the best in the industry overall.
So if your really dead set on a SiCo rifle can just buy either omega/hybrid and use dead air’s attachment system. I have sig, oss, dead air, SiCo, liberty, and more.
Just a few technical points:
If flash suppression is important to you, you’ll get lower flash signature using the flash hider/mount than you do with the can mounted over it.
The BE Meyer flash hider was the overall best in the last round of tests Andrew Tuohy did, especially the night vision testing. The SiCo Trifecta was somewhere in between the A2 and the BE Meyer.
From my experience shooting at night on several occasions with and without NV (all depend somewhat on barrel length and gunpowder used):
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[li] bare muzzle - basketball to beach ball sized fireball, NV is like a small lit parking lot
[/li][li] muzzle brake - 1-4" bright jets radially away, depending on brake arrangement, NV is like a lit room-size area in front of the shooter
[/li][li] suppressor - 2-5" long jet straight out the exit end - eye-catching from the side out to at least 100 yards, NV was a much smaller flash on any objects close in front of the shooter’s muzzle
[/li][li] flash hider - varies from little sparks and very small momentary bits of combustion, down to nothing visible to the naked eye, depending on the flash hider - NV was similar, but more exaggerated and the most visible thing was anything reflecting off any smoke lingering from previous shots
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I have a 30 cal Specwar and a 30 Cal omega both using ASR system. I have NEVER had any type of issues with the mounting systems. I personally know about 8-10 other local guys who also use them with no issue. I’ve never heard of an ASR mounting system shooting off, I have heard of SICO’s older system being troublesome. YMMV