Help explain C3 for first time SBR factory SIG 556

General Firearms NFA
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I have setup a Trust with Willmaker and had my lawyer go thru it, notarize and sign it and everything. I was planning to do a pistol SIG556 SBR build but they have the SBR factory version already.

So, what is the difference between doing a Pistol build on the trust and a buying a “class 3” from the factory? I thought Class3 is just the license to transfer NFA items. Who fills out the Form4…or is it Form1 for SBR in this case? I understand that I have to find a Class 3 dealer who can transfer the item to me, but who pays the stamp tax, who is the item registered to and so on?

Is it a waste of time to setup a Trust and go that route when it can just be transferred by a C3 dealer?

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Your post has me so confused I don’t know how to answer. What exactly are you looking to do?

If you are building an SBR then you will fill out a Form 1. Once it is approved you then do what you need to do and get it engraved with the proper info.

If it’s a factory built SBR then you do a Form 4. Either way you will put all the info onto the Schedule A.

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What is the Schedule A?

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If you create a Trust, the Schedule A is the last part where you list the assets belonging to the trust. Make, model, serial# of the items.

I.E. -Suppressor, AAC M4-2000, serial#, M-XXXXX.

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Ok, the Schedule A part sounds familiar as it’s in my trust.

Pls explain the difference between building the SBR from a pistol and getting the factory SBR. The SBR that I want is at Henderson’s Defense in NV. I live in TX. What is the process for the factory SBR and how does it differ from building a pistol?

From what I understand, I fill in the Form 4 myself if I build the pistol and wait then put on the stock when it comes back. If I got the factory SBR route then the dealer can do the paperwork for me?

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There is a sticky post about form 1’s.

if you want a complete rifle that already exists from Nevada you need to have it transfered to a dealer on a form 3 in your state (they will take care of forms)

And once it is received by them (actually when the completed form 3 is received back) you can start your form 4 transfer to yourself or other legal entity.

Chris

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A factory SBR already is on the registry by the manufacturer. They submitted their own form 1 (don’t quote me on that number) when they produced the weapon.

If it were at a dealer local to you it could be transfered upon receipt of an approved form 4.

But as it’s in Nevada refer to my post directly above.

Short story for form 1 Pistol to SBR build is:
buy pistol, fill out paperwork, submit paper work (this is detailed in the sticky post referenced above), receive approved paperwork, attach stock.

Chris

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Manufactures don’t submit form 1s.

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If you want to buy a factory NFA weapon you will need to buy from an individual or more likely an FFL/SOT (class 3) dealer in your state.

I’d try to find a dealer who will take the time to answer your questions about the process and paperwork.

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They do send some sort of notification though. It is added to the NFTR before it can be shipped via Form 3 to your dealer.

Chris

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manufacturers submit a form 2.

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if you build it as a individual its a form 1
if you build it as a mfg its a form 2
if you order it from a mfg they transfer it to your SOT on a form 3 and then it transfers to you from them on a form 4
a form 5 is for police and gov and tax free transfers to heirs of trusts

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Like I said, “Don’t quote me on that number.”

Chris

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One other difference between a constructed SBR and a manufacture SBR, is you will need your trust name engraved on your constructed SBR as you (your trust) is the manufacture of the SBR.

This may or may not be a concern to you. Engraving can be a pain as you really want to get the form 1 approved before you engrave so you know exactly what to engrave. For example, say your trust name is “John Doe, Revocable Living Trust”. Usually the ATF will allow you to abbreviate it. A typical abbreviation would be “J. Doe, RLT”. I have read were some ATF reviewers don’t allow that much abbreviation. They did for me and I have that abbreviation format on mine. All that being said, you don’t want to engrave before you get the form 1 back. At that point, it is a C3 weapon, thus engraving is more difficult. You either have to send it thru a C3 dealer to a C3 dealer that does engraving, or find a place that will engrave it while you wait and watch as it cannot (legally) leave your sight. There are rules as to the engraving size and depth.

Another point is if you ever decide to sell your SBR, you may take an additional hit for your trust name being engraved on the SBR.

A factory SBR is already registered as a C3 weapon and you will not have to have it engraved.

Personally if the cost is about the same, I’d go for the factory SBR.

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I was a little confused by your post. Specifically;

The item isn’t an NFA item until it is approved and entered into the registry. You could send the lower out before hand while it is on the process for engraving.

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I guess that was a little confusing.

Correct, you could send it out prior to being approved, we all know there is plenty of time…The problem is if the ATF comes back and tell you what you stated would be engraved on it isn’t acceptable, after its already been engraved.

For example, I’ve read were several people were told that J. Doe, RLT wasn’t an acceptable abbreviation for their trust name.

Once you get the Form 1 back and know for a fact what to engrave on the weapon, it is a C3 weapon at that point.