On Heine 's website under glock sights each time I click on a set it says it requires modification of the slide
As someone who had run Trijicons on Glocks since the mid 90’s, my “old man” eyes noticed a marked improvement picking up the sight picture when my friend got his first set of Heinie Ledges. I’ve since switched all of my Glocks to these.
While my eyesight is actually pretty decent (corrects to 20/20), everyone’s eyes can have slight quirks (Astigmatism is a PITA!) or variations. I also get “foot-balling” of the dot with Aimpoints…much worse with the T1 than the M4.
Getting old sucks… :rolleyes:
-Rainman
I hear ya Rainman!
I’m switching mine over as well but I’m going to run the Ken Hackathron class with my Trijicon equipped G19s because I don’t want to mess around with getting them installed and sighting them in before the class.
However, I’ll switch them over after the class when I can spend some time getting them dialed in.
Heinie’s Glock sights do not require any slide mods. His 1911 and P-35 sights do.
I’ve been running a set of Warren Tactical 3-dot tritium sights on a G17 for a couple weeks now. They are good sights. I don’t know if they’re any better than any other sight with eqivalent notch/front sight width dimensions, but they’re just fine.
Rosco
I have both, just recently having the warrens installed on my M&P9 a few weeks ago. I like both but after using the warrens, The sight picture seems crisper to me since they are darker in color than the Heinie’s, and the front sight tritium dot is larger, so I pick it up faster.
If you’re talking about the class in PA on 5-6 June, you should get to see how bad I can suck even with a Heinie equipped G19!
One small item that I hope won’t prevent me from being there…I fractured my left fibula several weeks ago and am still in a walking boot for another few weeks.
(carelessness + sunshine turning frozen hillside to soupie mud over a 3 hour period) x (gravity + 200 lbs) = MAJOR-owie
-Rainman
No I’m talking about the one in NC in three weeks.
Please post an AAR, as that will be a great lead-in to when I take the class in June.
I’ve never met Hackathorn, but am sure these will be great classes.
-Rainman
I’ve been running Heinie Slant Pro Straight Eights on all of my Glocks (and 1911’s) since 2003. They have been duplicated by several companies over the years (10-8, Warren, etc.) with slight modifications. In all I have installed 12 sets on my pistols as well as many other sets on other shooter’s pistols, and have had no isses with any in regards to fit, finish, or longevity.
If you are capable of standing for long stretches and hobbling around for short distances, you will be fine in Ken’s course. It is more or less drills, skill test, identifying and correcting bad habits. If Ken turned this into a week long course, even the worst shooters would lose all their bad habits. For the average guy who attends his courses, the two days will improve even the best of shooters.
Will do but here’s an AAR from a few weeks ago: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=50108
Heinie Straight eights on both my glock 19’s. Not tough to install, outstanding sight picture, durable.
The Heinie’s can be ordered with a .156 notch. The width of the notch should not really be the deciding factor.
I have Heini straight eights with the Qwik sized rear notch on my G19 and I like these very much, but I also own warren/sevigny 2 dot tritium carry sights (G26) and I like these sights slightly more. They are both terrific sights and a vast improvement to the OEM offerings, but I prefer the white outline on the W/S sights as most of my time behind the trigger is with a G34 w/ warren FO (red) sights so I like the way the white outline of the Warren/Sevigny sights draws my eyes to the FS.
You can’t go wrong with either, but the availability of the warren’s are definitely a plus.
GU
After spending some time with both sights: The Heinie “Ledge” 2-dot tritium on one of my M&P9’s and the Warren Tactical 2-dot tritium sights on my other, I have come to the conclusion that I prefer the Heinie’s.
I greatly prefer the profile of the Heinie “Ledge” over that of the Warren Tactical due to the more vertical leading edge of the rear sight which comes in-handy when doing one handed slide manipulations off of my holster or belt, etc. The Warren is just a little too slick for my taste for this function.
I also prefer the serrated front sight blade of the Heinie as well. I like to paint my front sight posts bright orange around the tritium insert, and the serrations on the Heinie sight hold onto the paint easier and longer for me.
I tried both pistols out today at the range and did a qualification course of fire I like to do which requires the shooter to fire 10 rounds onto a 4x6" index card @ 7 yards within 18 seconds while addressing a “failure to fire” malfunction and a speed reload. The presentation of the pistol, the malfunction clearance, and the speed reload must all be done on the move. Basically, if you aren’t shooting, you MUST be moving. I was able to shoot my best time to date with the Heinie’s (12.89), while my best time with the Warrens was (14.88).
YMMV, but that’s my take on the two sights.
I personally only like a U-notch if I’m going to be running a fairly large dot/tritium/FO out front.
However, most of my guns (at least now) are black on black; with that, I prefer a squared rear notch that you get with the Heine’s.
I have the Heinies on my carry 19 and I love them.
Still want to try Warrens though.
I use Crossbreed ST with combat cut. The rear sight isn’t a problem for my “ampleness”.
Has anyone installed the newer Heinies on an M&P? If so did it require any filing or fitting?
Yes, the Heinies require a bit of fitting. Ive installed three sets of the Heinie Ledge sights on different M&P’s and they all required fitting .
I have a G-22 RTF2 with Ledges and a G-17 RTF2 with Warrens
I have been trying out both side by side and leaning towards Heinie. Never thought the serrations were so important, Warrens are flat, no serrations. The rear sight of the Warrens IMO dissapear too much, especially in dimmer light, the Ledges, although you are clearly focusing on the front sight you can still see the blurry rear and maintain a decent alignement during rapid fire or low light. Plus the flat top makes it easier to align. This is very subjective so take it as another opinion.
I’m still testing and will probably test with a timer and record accuracy.
Ledges are better for one handed operation, Ledges slightly less than 90°, Warrens are not even 90° but can be worked.
As a bonus, Glock Heinies come with black melonite, a similar finish that can withstand corrosion like the Glock finish.
Both have set screws and availability of front sights and combiantions. You are choosing between the 2 best IMO.
Hope this helps.