Unfortunately this country continues on a decline. Remember who voted for this and make sure they are not re-elcted.
Wait, you guys don’t like to work hard to support other peoples children?
But this will be a new kind of failure.
It will be a failure of lost opportunities for the health of all mankind.
According to many experts we are on the cusp of enormous and radical advances in medical treatment, almost all of which are propelled by the profit motive and the relatively-free market.
We won’t even know what benefits we have just thrown away.
This ain’t over yet.
I cant say im for this nor can I say im against it because I dont understand it nor have I followed this. I agree everyone deserves healthcare, but I also think everyone needs a job. Also the insurance companies are just charging way too much by state. Like my company for example. In New York state. I live in ohio. I should have to pay ohio premiums not NY. I work hard for what I have and I over pay for what I dont use.
So what are the pros and cons of this bill passing? I ask because I dont understand this issue. I understand the government really cant afford to take on any more projects until the rest are finished. like eh hem… Iraq, Afghanistan. Alot of money being spent over there. I know, I served over there till a mortar had my name.
so why is everyone upset over this bill?
Archer
Exactly. I think we’ve shown our hand too soon. We might be getting fucked, harder, for that in the near future.
Go do a little research.
Just FYI: Those states which tend to have higher health insurance costs have laws that cause the rates to be higher – they have community rating, they have large lists of mandated coverages, etc. All these things jack up rates.
The average profit margin for health insurance companies is less than 4%. Many are non profits. This is not a greedy insurance company issue. Govt action has forced health insurance rates to go up wildly. It will only get worse.
I am not an expert nor in this line of work, but if your company is based in New York but you live and work in Ohio, they should be offering you insurance based on Ohio rates. I would ask your state insurance regulatory office about this. And your HR department. Each state regulates its own insurance market (currently) and I don’t believe you can legally purchase insurance that is written for NY. Obviously I am missing something because they are doing it but then your rates should be based on Ohio. See if your company offers a high deductible plan together with an HSA – you may save a lot of money depending on your circumstances.
May be so, but I doubt it. They will be trying really really hard to spin this as a positive. They don’t want to put more gasoline on the fire than they already have. They hope people forget by Nov (fat chance).
Could have the opposite effect if we push back hard enough. The scramble to keep jobs (in congress), the scramble to avoid being the fifth representitive to get lynched, the scramble to keep job approval ratings over 2%.
America has just been betrayed. Shoot, this is AS BIG as Pearl Harbor in terms of WAKE UP call.
It was said and will be again, NOBODY was happy with this bill before it was passed. It pissed the left off for not going straight to Lenin, it pissed the right off for . . . there is a list, a long, long list. Folks in the middle, wel , they may not know much, but they know that Congress could have been doing something besides Effing up the economy worse. Instead of doing a dang thing for jobs, unemployment, the economy in general, they have been engaged in this self mastrubatory exercise & EVERYBODY feels that. So when the bill nobody was happy with becomes the law that nobody will see any benefit from til 2014 & meanwhile it will cost them in a way that is bad for numerous sections of the economy . . . well, the silver lining may be that anything remotely smelling like a democrat will never see a re-election. May take five or nine years to get the country back on track . . . but this is shot heard 'round the world time. Democrat Congress just declared war on the United States!
Click any news link. He’s said multiple times he’s not concerned about his political future.
Maybe Obama isn’t, but many (most) of congress is.
I HATE socialism… capatalism isn’t perfect but it’s the best system I know of.
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
As of late it all sounds a bit less like yesterday, and more like today.
Defund the whole suicide machine, it’s the only way to do it. When the Republicans get back in, all they’ve got to do is introduce a budget with road, post office, and military funding at the appropriate tax rate. If nobody wants to sign that, then I guess we aren’t having a budget. Sorry, better luck next year.
Okay, they passed it. Against our will. The tyranny is overwhelming. We need to take to the streets. NO work, nothing until this abortion is rescinded. If the country as a whole were to stop, protest and make noise until they hear us, they will back off. Burt it takes us to do more than just bellyache. This is serious, it will affect us and the Founding Fathers did more for less. We can complain and enjoy our luxuries until we are completely enslaved or we can put our lives and possessions on the line to protect freedom’s flame.
Spread the word like a modern day Paul Revere. Next week, the work stops. Everywhere. Lets take to the streets and make our voices heard and respected.
That fills me with precisely zero confidence since there is ample precedent that Republicans are largely ineffective against a liberal president who has the backing of the entire press corps.
At best November offers us a chance to stop any further stupidity like amnesty and other horrifically bad policy ideas. I have little confidence that the Republicans can overturn this nonsense or create a positive momentum that begins to truly solve our nation’s problems.
Why should he be? He has the institution of the press entirely in his pocket and a fundamental belief that the American people are stupid…a belief that has considerable merit given the way the man was elected.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aYUeBnitz7nU&pos=2
AAA going, going, gone…
Sorry- anyone taking such a course would be branded a right wing nutcase by the Stalinist press. The govt doesn’t care about what the general electorate wants. Those on the dole, here illegally and the lazy have the ear of this current group, no one else.
I don’t have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It’s a depression. Everybody’s out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel’s worth; banks are going bust; shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter; punks are running wild in the street, and there’s nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there’s no end to it.
We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat. And we sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that’s the way it’s supposed to be!
We all know things are bad – worse than bad – they’re crazy.
It’s like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don’t go out any more. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we’re living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, “Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials, and I won’t say anything. Just leave us alone.”
Well, I’m not going to leave you alone.
I want you to get mad!
I don’t want you to protest. I don’t want you to riot. I don’t want you to write to your Congressman, because I wouldn’t know what to tell you to write. I don’t know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street.
All I know is that first, you’ve got to get mad.
You’ve gotta say, “I’m a human being, goddammit! My life has value!”
So, I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window, open it, and stick your head out and yell,
“I’m as mad as hell,
and I’m not going to take this anymore!!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxxhPKSeMR0 Let the glorious uproar of freedom begin. :mad:
The amount of god worship going on right now makes pretty much all media outlets unreadable today.
It isn’t about voting anymore. And it was never about insurance.
This was about establishing a bureaucracy that CAN’T be voted out.
I may have to look at campaigning for pols in other states. Here in Idaho we can’t do or send anyone else. Even our Dem rep voted NO from the beginning.
And, Archer78 … WTH, man? After a year and a half of front page news you pay attention just now? After the vote? Good Grief!