I’ve been curious about this all day and I am lying on the couch listening to XM radio and I hear that this @#$% bill has passed. I’ve had discussions/arguments with guys at work. They are asking me why I am so dead set against this bill. I think it was the talk show host Andrew Wilkow described it best. He said this bill is like a skeleton to add so many other provisions onto it and yes possibly even different forms of gun control. Even if the Republicans take back the House and Senate and new bills are proposed to defeat this Obama will never sign it into law. So we are at least stuck with this until the next P.O.T.U.S. election. Heck we are going to start getting our money taken out of our wallets to pay for this almost immediately. But the ‘benefits’ don’t kick in until 2014 I believe. Where is our country going?!?! Love to hear everyone’s thoughts.
Well, I got to thinking of what to do next . … . after a flury of . . . thoughts I quickly dismissed. A real solution might be to take it local, like to the states.
Saw this map of states that are moving of Firearms Freedom Acts over here: http://statesmansentinel.com/2010/03/rebellion-in-america-heats-up-as-5th-state-exempts-guns/ and it occurs to me that we might be able to get a grassroots thing started to step up and tell the Feds to bugger off with their healthcare B.S. Shoot, the polls have been showwing for months that We The People strongly oppose the health care nightmare. Maybe we could get our state legislators fired up to fire off a round of State’s Rights across Obama’s bow.
As posted above, our only chance is in the states taking up the fight…cause the federal level politicians sure as hell aren’t listening.
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people”…The 10th amendment. That is our only hope I believe.
Given SCOTUS precedence I doubt it will be struck down. They tend to rule based on past court rulings, and not so much what the Constitution says. A couple bad rulings in the past has forever damned the idea of state’s rights.
What can you say other than its a huge shit sandwich, and we are all going to be eating off it for the rest of our lives. Going to be harder to find work due to employer mandates and fines, “rich people” (aka employers) are going to take more precaution in even hiring people, national debt will go up as this entire package is already running a debt (they split up the entire “package” so they could get the main bill a good CBO number), more people will be beholden to government for basic living, and last but not least the march towards complete socialism is seeing the end of the road on the horizon. Lets face it…you can be poor here, get free food, a place to live, a car, free complete health care here, and never contribute a positive dollar to society your whole life. That is socialism. The gov is taking over student loans, and quickly gaining near complete control over banks.
Next “waypoint” along this road is making retirement accounts “public” as there is NO WAY to pay for all this crap. The gov is going to have to do something in the next 5-20 years to start actually paying on this. Higher taxes, retirement accounts become public, rationing of services, etc. Look at how Europe pays for these programs. High income taxes, 20 sales taxes, 8-10 dollars a gallon of gas, less people go to secondary education, medical care is worse, unemployment and economic growth has historically been pretty far behind the US with stagnant unemployment, etc. Look to doctors to become public employees as a means to control costs along with nurses, techs, etc. Basically a VA system for everyone. This will come along as more and more doctors leave medicine do to the hassles, lower pay, and government regulations. As hospitals go out of business they will be taken over by the gov, and staffed with these gov medical people.
This is nothing new in the rest of the world. Just look around at how other socialist countries are paying for their systems, and what their society is like. Even with all their revenue generators we have yet to institute here they are struggling to pay for it, and always been propped up with trade to the US along with tourism, etc. Look at how many people are reliant on public transportation in Europe because they can’t afford to own a car. Much higher than here where public transportation is limited to metro areas, and even then is nothing compared to Europe.
The ONLY way to keep this from happening here is to keep progressives out of office be they democrats or republicans. Many republicans are pro entitlement, and will never do away with the social spending that is driving us to bankruptcy.
we’re toast.
carry on.
NO. We just got kicked pretty darn hard, that doesn’t mean it is time to lay down and die. We can fight this. We have too many people who have sacrificed too much for us to just . . . throw up our hands in despair and say “oh, I guess Obama won and America lost”. NO! That is NOT good enough.
The picture on the front of Fox News’ website makes me fucking sick. What a piece of shit. http://www.foxnews.com/
Agreed. Work hard, save your money, and get the fuck out of this place.
Well if you get sick you’ve got the doctor’s bill taken care of (helluva a lot of sarcasm with that statement)…makes me @#$%&"# sick too brother.
Not gonna happen with all the federal money in most state’s pockets these days.
How do you think most of the conservative Americans felt during the times of FDRs takeovers? This shit isn’t going to be repealed We dont’ have to lay down and die, but we can adapt.
By all means, Obama wants health care to be his legacy. He is touching himself to the notion of people in the future associating Health care with his name. I, however, hope for his name to be synonymous with something much different.
Well, you can rest assured that it will be a colossal failure… as with most things government-run. I’m not sure whether or not most people advocating this bill realize it or not, but… we’ve had a couple of social health care programs in place for a while now and they’re both bankrupt, miserable failures. Knowing that, I can’t begin to imagine how anyone could believe that this will turn out any differently.
Well said, but fell on deaf ears. The only good thing to come out of this will be the Dems being voted out in mass numbers.
I agree.
Along the same “silver lining” lines, here’s an article anyone looking for a bright side to this might enjoy: http://avenue411.com/tapatriot/content/socializing-health-care-passes-day-celebration-conservatives
Social Security broke. Medicare broke. Medicaid broke. Nation broke. Now Obama will sign this into law. Good grief.
Just got to work hard this summer and Fall voting out everyone who voted for this. Especially the pro-life group who had voted NO originally.
The radical left will be targeting those Democrats like this pro-life group (even though they voted for it) as well as the Democrats who voted NO. This will be in the primaries. If they succeed, it should make it easier for the Republicans to capture those seats.
Now we just got to work on getting non liberal non progressive Republicans to run.
The bitch about this is, they got nothing to lose now. Watch out through November for them to ram through amnesty, cap&trade, whatever other social/progressive/communist agendas, including guncontrol.