I shoot LR on a beautiful 800m range. My 18" OBR is currently topped with a CQBSS 1-8 with H27 reticle. Flawless scope, but she is a bit short on magnification. I am thinking of getting a HDMR tremor 2 for the OBR.
This isnt a reticle thread. This is a glass thread. My shooting partners all use HDMRs and love them.
Good idea?
I currently have my HDMR with H59 for sale. Not because of the glass, but because I would rather have a different reticle. I have gotten used to the TMR, gap, MLR type reticles. I have shot behind the Mark 6 with H58 3-18 and I feel like the HDMR is better glass and more defined bolder reticle
Thats good to hear. I know its not a SB PMII, but I only shoot to 825m. I haven’t had the chance to get behind the MK6 3-18. Thanks for your insight.
That’s more or less the opposite from reviews on Sniper’s Hide.
Most reviews indicate the Mark 6 has better glass. In comparing the two , its hard to miss the HUGE weight difference. The Mark 6 is a good 10 oz lighter and 1" shorter.
Of course, the HDMR has a tick more magnification and is cheaper by a pretty large margin.
I had a TMR reticle in a Leupold 2.5-8x TS-30A2. Loved it, the open cross hairs with plenty of stadia lines are well thought out.
I know there is quite a weight difference, but my 18" OBR is a pig anyway.
What do you want for your HDMR>. And which one is it?
I know. It was only a sample of 1 scope each at dusk, the Mark6 was yellow in color and a little hazy at 550m and the Bushnell was a touch “blue/green” making it appear brighter. I could make out a 6" steel plate better with the Bushnell compared to the mark 6, but could see dirt splash pretty well in both. The plate was painted a orange color, so maybe the yellowish color made it blend more with surroundings making it harder to see?. Maybe that is the difference of the 50mm objective compared to the 44mm making a small amount of color/light through at dusk. The HDMR also puts a blue halo around lighter target white and silver on the upper magnification levels but targets are still clear. The weight is a negative, but not a deal killer.
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I’ve got a HDMR w/Horus on top of my 18" Krieger barrel .308 gas gun. It’s great, no problems at distance (so far approx 675 yds). It replaced the SS 3-9 variable I used for intial shakedown testing of the rifle. The glass is good, not S&B, but meets my needs no problem. The price point works well too, and that’s comparing .mil pricing for the HDMR vs. Leupold.
I just think anything more than 15-17x for a .308 that you never intend to go beyond 800+/- is excessive. There’s been a lot of trending back to “I want MORE magnification…” and then you see the same people ending up on 10-12x for most of their shots. The only time people are going to 20-25x magnification is on a bench gun and then they complain about the mirage and wonder why it’s a problem. Just my 2 cents and that doesn’t count for much…
i have one. like it, but not much experience to compare to others.
i bought it because it was relatively reasonably priced for the features and got consistently good reviews.
i figured that if i can’t shoot well using it, i’d know the problem isn’t ever with the scope.
it is indeed big and heavy, but 3.5-21x50 should pretty much cover the majority of precision shooting needs on either end of the range.
i don’t hunt and i don’t hump, so it doesn’t bother me either way - and there’s plenty of other places on a gun to save weight.
fwiw, i think the “too much magnification” comment has a lot of similarities to “too much ammo” line of thinking.
I generally fear magnification. It is why I run a 1-8 on my OBR. However, I now realize the rifle is just better suited to a dedicated LR platform vs a “battle rifle”. Being able to shoot to extended distance is its primary job. I do have DD offset irons for closer shooting if need be.
I am a big time Horus fan, so that is influencing my decision making.
i’ve had one for quite a while. it’s one of the best values out there for a precision scope.
however, i generally think people have the wrong idea about magnification ‘on the low end’. what you really need is a large field of view and forgiving exit pupil and generous eye relief. HDMR isn’t really fantastic on the latter two. I’d think hard before putting it on an OBR that i intended to use for anything other than precision. i mean, don’t think 3x on the HDMR will feel like a 3x acog
Yeah, because the two obviously relate to each other…
True that too much mag isn’t a good thing.
The reason the HDMR works well in my opinion is the intersection of price/performance. Having enough mag with a Horus reticle with very good glass at the price point they go for makes it a winner. No need to spin it up to full mag. The higher mag is also useful for observation/PID if that is needed. I haven’t seen anything else at that price point that does what the HDMRw/Horus can.
Good discussion. I am still undecided but the HDMR seems like a safe bet for its value alone.
too subtle, i see…was just trying to keep it in the same genre.
please substitute, “…too much money…” and see if that helps you relate.
right on, particularly since this is FFP. the reticle gets really small and faint at 3.5.
however, it’s pretty obvious this type of scope is meant to shoot precisely and with deliberation rather than quickly target with general accuracy.
it seems the OBR is capable of either, so the OP will have his cake and eat it too, once he settles on a long range scope.
LMAO… right… Yeah about that. I’ve owned/own US Optics, Nightforce, Schmidt & Bender, Vortex Razor HD’s, and numerous other glass well into the $3K+ range. Maybe you should try not reading into something what isn’t there. I’ve used an ST-10 out to 1250 with great results. If you think 20X magnification on <800yds is helpful then you should try shooting a match and getting off the bench.
I think what he means is, there is an old saying, “you can never be TOO rich”, and the point he is making about this and ammo and x’s on your scope is that a little over what you actually need is good for different circumstances.
as to the scope thing, I agree with both of your positions - I realize you can shoot out to whatever your maximum range is with a 10x but having a little overhead is never a bad thing if conditions allow. However, this is only true to the degree that it doesn’t compromise the initial intent and function of the gun.
I think everyone understands that so can we get over this discussion? more importantly, why are we discussing optics in a rifle forum???
I am having an HDMR TRMR2 shipped to me today. Thanks for the help. Oh, I posted in here because its a thread specific to semi auto long range precision rifle. I was hoping for better answers.