I was cruising with my babies and I was thinking. Everyone wants to hunker down in the bedroom and call 911. A solid move but my dogs split their time between the couches and our bedroom floor. So they have free reign at night. If someone attempts to break in they’re gonna go berserk. I’m not leaving them to get hurt. My dogs are my children. Realistically I will move to engage the threat g19 and surefire e2dl in hand.
Food for thought.
We have 3 GSD’s . One of which would let you right in, maybe bark. One that has had zero protection training, but has good solid drive, press her and it won’t be good. The 3rd is trained for protection, super high drive. Your methed out of your mind if you getting by him.
All that said, dogs are awesome in HD. Just know the animal. Mine or our babies too, but defense work is stress on the dog. If it hasn’t been trained to see a threat as prey, and given the opportunity to develope the confidence, he might bark and that’s about it. But maybe barking is enough ?
I imagine mine would just stand there and bark until the subject made an aggressive move. My cattle dog won’t even let my wife and I play fight. That’s why I wouldn’t leave them out an expect them to prevail. They’re gonna need some lead based back up.
My beagle’s only going to be good at waking me up, which is good enough for me.
I would teach my dogs the command “come”.
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We have three Golden Retrievers. If we have a home invasion by the UPS guy or anybody else driving a big brown truck, he’s toast. Anybody else, we might be in trouble.
I refuse to debate any subject with a man who grabs a pistol to fight with on his home field. :fie:
Ridiculous.
What if the other option was an LWRCi gun in 6.8?
I’d grab a fly swatter over anything LWRCi makes…
I agree only if the home owner has other/better options.
There are far worse choices than a g19 we all know this,
if its all you go then go with it.
I’ve trained schutzhund , or should say worked with schutzhund trained dogs for 10-12 years. I train with a club and often pull some decoy duty. I guess what I have trouble explaining is that while your dog may bark and growl,posture and act all nasty, I say that 95% of the time its fear based and not defense or protection drive.
A dog is not “happy” in protection or defense drive. Its prey drive where you get the results. You can teach a dig to bite in defense drive but the results aren’t the same and often the dog isnt as stable. A dog ,taught to see the threat as prey is far more aggressive, thinking and agile. Your dog HAS to be taught to fight, it has to be aught to fight with a man. It also has to be allowed to win, and shown when it ramps up the drive good things happen.
Ever see your dog chase a squirrel or a cat? Watch its tail, its held high and the dog isn’t stiff, its usually loose and reactive to the preys movements. That’s prey drive. A dog barking at the UPS guy isn’t necessarily in prey drive, might be…depends on the dog. If you stress a young dog with defense work too early or without the proper base training you end up with a unstable dog that might not be trustable.
Sorry for the long winded crap…I dig dog training.
I hear you…
But this is M4Carbine… not GlockLovers.net! 
touche
agreed
If you get killed trying to save your dogs by attempting a one man house clearing, how is that helping the friendlies still alive in the house?
Unfortunately, and I love dogs, for the purposes of HD when the alternative is human lives lost, dogs are expendable.
My dogs know come but they go berserk when someone’s at the door. Lacking an ar15 leaves my with my G19 as my next best option. With my dogs I can rely on them to direct me to the threat. I see my odds as better than one man house clearing. I see it more as moving to the threat location. I’ve cleared unknown threat houses. I’m not searching for a bad guy im responding to the dogs alarm.
This is a training issue.
The response/alarm is good to let you know that something is up, but I train my dogs to immediate obedience to commands regardless of distraction.
So… you are:
How is this food for thought?
As a dog lover, I would be fine with a dog that would bark furiously in the middle of the night to act as an alarm. I am not real keen on having a guard dog patrol my property. If the dog is “switched on” all the time, I would be concerned about it being able to distinguish between friend and foe. Some overly agressive dogs have been known to nip/bite/attack friendlies. A set up for disaster IMO. As far as using a G19 for HD, in my neighborhood, homes are not miles apart from each other. I would not be able to use a rifle for HD for fear of overpenetration issues. A G19 would be much better than a baseball bat however. Just my opinion.
I am confident in my G19 I live in rural America and most of our the burglaries out here are committed without firearms let alone body armor. My dogs are under trained and Although I work with them They are not yet where I want them to be. They’re not guard dogs and i have no intention in training them to be. They are just family dogs with superior senses to mine I probably should have stated that my front door is about 10 feet away from my master bedroom door. I didn’t post to attempt to teach anything as I am in no position to teach. I was just interested in starting a discussion.