JG sales still has some smith & wesson dao model 64s for sale. I think if I remember right they were in the $300 to $35o range.
I find that most folks here jump on the reliability bandwagon. Yes, that means Glock, but it can also mean Beretta, SIG, S&W, HK, and a bunch of other names.
People here also jump on the bandwagon of getting lots of serious training from ex-SOCOM shooters. Many of them compete, but they take matches with a grain of salt since matches tend to lead people toward winning matches instead of winning fights.
And finally, I find that people here jump on the bandwagon of shooting a LOT. I know for a fact that I’m far from the only guy here who shoots over 10k rounds through his carry gun every year.
Between us, we’ve tried just about everything out there. We’ve earned our opinions on the range and on duty. In the spirit of fairness, I’d like to ask you to keep the same open mind that you’re asking of us. Read the Glock threads more closely. You’ll find that people here have very serious questions about them, especially about reliability and accuracy. Then do search for XD threads—there are plenty of them. You may find that we have pretty good reasons for our choices.
Good shooting,
Okie John
Agreed John, I will keep an open mind while viewing these threads. However with the glock, glock, glock talk everywhere it will be a challenge.
A couple other points. I am far from a new shooter. I have ben pulling a trigger, either hunting, punching paper or in a comp for 40 years now and like you 10k rounds a year is a average year. That is one of the reasons I said that a XD is in the top tier of pistols. With that many rounds running through my firearms , many of them being my own reloads with my own cast boolits and not as much as a FTF I have the tendency of bragging on them.
While my XD is my preferred handgun, I also like my Beretta 96 as well a my Browning. With over 100 firearms in my personal stable and 800 in the shop, I do get the chance to test many different firearms. If I could ever get the glock to feel natural in my hand I may feel different about them, however every time I shoot one, even though they group well I feel like I am hunting for the sights after every shot.
What I tell every customer is to find the handgun that naturally fits you. For me that is the XD, for the next guy it may be the glock and the next a Sig. We all have different hands and what works for one may not work for the next.
Respects JB
Right, the “small issue” of you calling people names and then getting bent out of shape when they take offense. Based on that alone, yes, I think you’re in the wrong place.
That wasn’t even close to name calling and bent out of shape. If I got wound up every trime I have heard the term fanboy I would be wound up like a eight day clock.
Thanks for all the input guys. I’ll try to pass most of this on to him.
Couple of things:
I can see if he’s interested in a revolver, but I’m just not a revolver guy, so my knowledge as far as what to tell him on that (other than what I’ve seen here) is very slim. Also, I’m honestly probably not going to push the shotgun thing, and for this same reason:
Or it just tells the intruder that you’re armed, and where you are in the house. Spend more time reading around here in the Training section. Plethora of reasons as to why you shouldn’t rely on the sound of the action to drive off an intruder.
Also, I remember seeing a sticky on here talking about how shotguns aren’t the quintessential HD weapon, and like anything else they require training and aren’t just point-it-in-the-general-direction-and-blow-anything-away kind of guns. Just me though. My Mossberg 500 sits put away unloaded most of the time, and my P30 and BCM are my go to guns for HD. YMMV.
And all the debate over no safety, or grip safety, or thumb safety, etc would probably be something he would need to sit down and figure out after handling some different guns. Honestly, as he can probably count on one hand the number of times he’s handled a handgun, I feel like simpler would be better (i.e. Glock, M&P with no safety), but then if he’s nervous about no safety, then something like an M&P with a safety. I just think if he starts having to learn DA, or DA/SA, and cocked and locked, or safety on or off, etc. he’s just going to get confused and frustrated. I could be completely wrong, but I don’t see him spending tons of time practicing with it and getting used to more complex platforms. For him I think point and shoot may be best, but ultimately that would be for him to decide after trying different things.
I don’t know what will come of all of this with him. We shall see. I’ll give updates next time he asks me about it.
Not sure if serious…?
And yes, to the uneducated a shotgun is a do all weapon.
Check this gun out for your friend. Its by a Bulgarian company called Arcus. I have one with 400 rounds in it without any FTF or FTE.
http://www.gunetc.com/2010/02/01/arcus-98-review/
Look around, You’ll find a lot of used Glocks at pawnshops for less than $400. AIM surplus has them in stock for like $360+ shipping. Not saying Glock is the best out there, but they work, parts are cheap, and accessories are easy to find. The Glock 19/23 are pretty good, all-around size.
If he feels like he needs a safety to safely operate the gun, he needs more training. Just my opinion.
Mossberg shotty at Academy is $189 last time I checked.
Case of 9mm is (used to be) $200.