Honestly, dont worry about it, you already told him your opinion, let him decide.
l tried for years to get my friends and family from buying retarded guns as well as all other types of shit. 95% of the time they still buy something retarded.
For whatever reason, smart gun purchases are hard to choose, for even otherwise logical people. In my experience with guns people either “get it” or they dont and usually no amount of reason really helps. They either end up with a few glocks and a good AR or 10 completely different cheap CC pistols a high point carbine and an sks.
Why not look at a XD? I feel the extra safety [backstrap] on a XD might help a new shooter from shooting himself in the leg while holstering, etc, like we have ben seeing lately with the glocks.
Plus they come in in the $500.00 range.
How about the S&W 6906? About the same size as a G26 or an M&P9c so they are small and dont look like “hand cannons”. They are cheap, $350+/-, double stack 12 rounds and have 2 safeties. The first is the slide thumb safety/decocker and the second is the mag disconnect safety. With the mag safety he can keep one in the chamber and the mag separate but close by that way all he has to do is insert the mag and he’s ready. Thats if he “feels unsafe” with a loaded gun laying around.
Or it just tells the intruder that you’re armed, and where you are in the house. Spend more time reading around here in the Training section. Plethora of reasons as to why you shouldn’t rely on the sound of the action to drive off an intruder.
i picked up an M&P 9mm for $210 used. The gun is in great condition, and I have slowly been replacing parts that I planned to replace anyway. This may be a viable answer for you buddy.
Have him look at used J or K frame revolvers. Based on what you have told us, unless he gets bit hard by the shooting bug… he won’t be practicing at all.
And forget about him not wanting to spend money to protect himself… what about his new bride??? People never cease to disappoint me.
I actually sort of advocate putting pressure towards a poison of choice (as long as its a good one of course). When done right it creates ground to give and should increase the chances of ending up in a general direction (pushing for an HK can lead them to getting a Glock) vs going general and having them stop shy of it (advocating HK, Glock, S&W, etc and them ending up with a hi-point).
Of course starting smaller and working your way up also works fairly well (get him onto some cheaper 9MMs then work up to something like a Glock).
Starting where you want to be is more hit or miss. Goes along with what others have said “they either get it or don’t” where you rely more on them getting it by starting at the end.
Anyone who purchases a firearm for SD/HD without some type of training is stupid! You have to learn how to drive, take a road test, buy a reliable car and keep a decent record to drive a vehicle because you can kill someone! Same applies to a firearm!
Good Luck!
I own 4 XD’s and shoot the competitively and am consistently in the top 5, without as much as a FTF. I have never seen a issue with a XD.
I also hold a FFL and we sell XD’s at a rate of 20 to 1 over glocks. In my area glocks just dont sell.
Do a search on ND’s and see what comes up. You will see that the people shooting themselves while holstering, or most recently while hitting the seatbelt release, were carrying a glock and not a XD. The extra safety WILL add a extra element of safety when it come to a holster flexing and hitting the trigger and going BOOM like it does on a glock. I can see this is a glock fan boy forum by the overwelming ammount of glock threads, but I refuse to jump on that band wagon. Sorry to go against the grain but a XD is a quality handgun.
No offense, but most of your customers probably dont shoot enough to see problems. I’d rather listen to LAV who sees many and all type of handguns in his classes or David Bowie who spends more time repairing XDs than enhancing them. Also, the glock has no safety issues, this forum is geared towards knowledgeable shooters who take the time to learn proper weapons manipulation, to most here the extra XD safety would be a hindrance.
No offense taken, However just because a person is not as experienced with a weapon really don’t matter when it comes to a ND such as I am talking about. Yes we can say that a experienced shooter probably wont shoot themself in the hip . Yes we can blame the holster, yes we can blame any number of things, but when it all boils down the gun still went off when it should not have. In this case the backstrap safety of a XD probably would have saved this from happening. If that backstrap safety was not engaged when the holster failed and hit the trigger the gun would not have went off period. Now I am not saying that a glock is junk, after 40+ years of firearm experience I know better than that, I am just saying that a XD is far from junk.
If this small item is going to be a issue with the members here I can see that I am in the wrong place. I joined this forum because I enjoy the M-4 and thought this would be a good place to chat with like minded individuals. However with this glock is king attitude I am seeing here I may have ben mistaken.
Best regards to this forum and apologies to the OP for hijacking this thread.
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This. You may have to help him find one, but ratty Model 10’s and Model 13’s are still out there for $200 or so. J-frames are usually more expensive, and they’re harder to shoot well. Try to keep him in a 38 Special or 357. Other J- and K-frame calibers can be too expensive for a newlywed to shoot.
I’m not saying the XD is a terrible weapon just that there are certainly better(quality) options out there. I don’t think this is a glock is king forum, of course glock has a great track record both in durability and reliability but I for example prefer other handguns(P30). This forum is not about putting down manufacturers or a products unjustly, we are about quality gear and training, the criticism given to products is only to help others and to hopefully change of influence some of the manufacturers products into becoming better.
As for the holster thing, it is a non-issue if you buy a quality holster(i.e. RC phantom), there is a reason many instructors have banned serpa or serpa like holsters from their classes.
As for the OP, what about trying to get a police trade-in glock or similar the usually run @ or under $400.
Just get him to buy a Glock. There are millions of the things floating around used. An old Gen 2 or Gen 3 G22/G17s out there. Get him to get one of those. It’ll be fine.
