Allegedly, Planned Parenthood’s Federation of America’s senior director of medical services Deborah Nucatola, has a nonchalant conversation about harvesting the organs from babies. I know this will and can be very controversial on here but I feel this group will show enough restraint and maturity to discuss it. Here is the article;
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/republicans-seize-on-planned-parenthood-video/ar-AAcY5pN
It’s just dark.
There really are two slippery sloped on this issue and that is one of them.
If we ever returned to a 1930s socialist mentality I could see ghouls breeding babies to harvest organs, stem cells, etc. Not that anyone today isn’t willing to do it, and not that it isn’t happening right now in other parts of the world. We should remember what kind of person Margaret Sanger actually was when it came to topics like eugenics.
On the flip side, I wouldn’t want a a human baby defined as “from the moment of conception” or even when the “cells split” as some people would like. I’d hate for the mother to have to die in favor of the pregnancy because it is a law and nobody should be forced to keep a pregnancy that was the result of rape, incest or anything along those lines. I just wish horribly irresponsible people would stop using it as a means of birth control.
And there isn’t a lot of reasonable “common ground” between the extremes which makes it that much more difficult. In the meantime perhaps we can send Deborah Nucatola to Kosovo to learn first hand why harvesting organs nonchalantly is wrong.
Another article. http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/planned-parenthood-sells-dead-baby-parts-and-that-shouldnt-shock-you-at-all/
Steyr I always appreciate your point of view on things. The highlighted segment is EXACTLY how I feel about abortion.
I think that is where most people are at. In a perfect world irresponsible people would have to put down their bong, get a real job, move out of their parents basement and take care of the child they are now responsible for.
Problem is irresponsible people are typically not capable of being responsible which is why they either have four children with four different “baby mamas” or have four children from four different fathers. For the most part they see their children only as a “benefit” to obtain money and services from the government, most of which benefit the parent more than the child.
In addition to the financial burden placed on everyone else, the unwanted and / or poorly raised children (irresponsible people generally are not capable of raising responsible children) become a next generation burden on society as they emulate their parents in most respects.
It’s a horrible conclusion, but I’d rather fund the abortions than fund the life long costs of flunkie kids. It’s a vicious cycle that traps the vast majority of children born in those circumstances and dooms them to the fate of their parents or worse.
I just wish we could get effective birth control in place to prevent the need for abortion. For example, I think EVERYONE receiving in social services or benefits should be required to have a Norplant.
I would agree with this. I am not in favor of abortion as a form of birth control but in the end it is probably the best solution for the child and society as a whole. It pains me to say that but given the fact that the child will most likely be neglected and or abused and one day continue the cycle perhaps it is for the best.
When I first saw this video today I was shocked at how nonchalant this woman was discussing the subject. It is amazing to me that some people can view children in such a way.
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I’m sorry but if harvesting aborted baby organs isn’t pretty much in the same ballpark as ISIS blowing up a baby to train their soldiers then I guess I just didn’t get the memo on what’s barbaric anymore.
It is barbaric and according to this article a federal crime.
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No apology necessary
Isn’t that essentially what all the pro-life groups are pushing for? Abortion only in cases of rape, incest, and etc?
I agree with this, but find late term abortions and what is linked in the OP to be absolutely abhorrent. IMO, if what comes out after an abortion looks like a small human being, you just committed murder. I’m not arguing that life begins at conception, as I understand many forms of female birth control (pills and IUDs) allow the egg to be fertilized, i.e. conception to occur, but prevent the fertilized egg from implanting itself in the uterine wall. Someone in the know please correct me if I’m wrong. By a strict “post conception” definition, that’s no different than late term abortion, but they are not ethically or biologically the same thing in my opinion.
This is slightly off-topic, but people who oppose birth control AND abortions seem to be talking out of both sides of their mouth, and/or not looking at the situation realistically. Would that all people could abstain/exercise good judgment, but that’s simply not a reality. Furthermore, 2 kids is plenty for my wife and I, and we aren’t about to take a vow of chastity for the rest of our lives. I vote proper education and application of birth control, which results in fewer abortions, and hopefully zero late-term abortions.
Not really. That might be what some advocate, but some want much more.
The other big issue is who decides.
I can understand the POV that the mother decides since it is her body carrying the baby. But what about the fathers rights. What if the father discovers he made somebody pregnant and WANTS the child which is part his. What if he is completely prepared to provide for the mother and the child and wants to be that “responsible parent”? Does he really get no say in the matter? Can a vindictive female decide for him that he won’t have a child?
It’s a complex enough debate deciding to what extent the actual parents get to make the decision. And somehow just saying “my body, my decision” just doesn’t seem like enough justification to get 100% of the decision.
About the only thing worse is letting the government or community get involved and have some say so as well. Obviously we don’t want to get into a time and place where we have post birth abortions simply because the parents are in agreement and that is why we have done are best to decide on a “no turning back now” point in the pregnancy. I don’t think we will ever have a perfect solution to a complex problem that is made worse by irresponsibility, but I think we could easily come up with even worse solutions…we’ve certainly done it in the past.
There are many hard liners that advocate that all abortions are wrong but for the majority would concede to specific cases that you mentioned.
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And that’s is because it IS abhorrent.
It is one thing to discuss bringing some good from abortion. If an aborted baby can have organs donated to save another baby that is one thing. If I was a parent of a newborn that needed a kidney to live I would probably be willing to do almost anything. It isn’t much different from getting a kidney from a child killed in a car accident. It’s a horrible, horrible situation no matter what because even if it saves your child, you still know a baby died somewhere along the lines in the equation.
The real problem also isn’t one of “Hey instead of just throwing this aborted baby away, let’s save the life of another baby if we can and try and get “some good” out of this terrible thing.” If that was the case, most of us would opt to save a life with a lost life if we could.
The problem once again is people, including the ones devoid of humanity who will do anything for money. If you think popping out kids just so you can get some extra welfare money is horrible, and if you think getting pregnant so you can “negotiate a settlement” with that rich couple who want to adopt your child is horrible, well wait till people get pregnant so they can put a “baby kidney” on the auction block. And don’t kid yourself, there are thousands of people who would be willing to do it.
And sadly it is happening right now, in many places in the world. It can be a sick place sometimes.
All any of us can do is make sure that kind of depraved attitude doesn’t invade our own friends and family.
Sadly no. And this is one of the reasons the issue is so divisive still. I am friends with people that insist that even in this case it should not be permitted and that there are no cases where an abortion could save the life of the mother.
I am pro life, but as with any issue it is never black and white. There has to be some exceptions because these situations DO happen.
I’m in agreement with you Steyr.
I certainly hope the hard liner element in the pro-life movement is a small one without influence. Especially with regard to incest. What a life for that mother and child!
I would go a step further and say that making sure people like Deborah Nucatola and guys like Kermit Gosnell are kept from being involved in the fields in question. These are the kind of people you DON’T want involved. But medical ethics can always get a little tricky in some fields.
Nice place to meet for lunch. I think it was called the Wannsee Villa or something like that.
I raised my Son by myself from the time he was 4 months old. It’s not a joke, you can do it if you choose to.
I would hate to think had his Mom decided it was “Her body and Her Choice.” how much of life I would have missed out on.