Has anyone seen the Frontline investigation on the Lanzas and Newtown?

[30_cal_slut]

@obucina

All they stated was that Adam shot his mother with the same .22 that he was taught to shoot with.

Was told by reliable sources that mother died of shotgun blast to the face.

[obucina]

@30_cal_slut

Was told by reliable sources that mother died of shotgun blast to the face.

Interesting…I was really hoping that the documentary would have parted the sea of speculation and provide some degree of clarity since the reporters at the Courant would hopefully do a better job than some of the “online” contributors in CT.

Sadly, it will probably take years to just get an answer to the simple facts. Would one be able to use the Freedom of Information Act to obtain the investigative findings?

[30_cal_slut]

Don’t know. CT State Police report expected this summer.

[Bulletdog]

@Noodles

Ok, now let’s do that experiment with you over prescribed on SSRIs and see if things still work out?

I have a friend of a friend that’s been told his entire life he has anxiety and routinely takes every drug I’ve ever heard of. So guess what, now he’s actually fucked up. He’ll never be “right”.

I don’t have a single fucking doubt that the school shooters are likely to be on prescribed drugs. I don’t give a shit about anything else, I don’t care if the kid went shooting, if he played video games, I don’t care if he was weird or anti-social, or if his mom spanked him or didn’t spank him, I don’t care who he idealized, or why he specifically chose that school. I care about the drugs these people are on and that’s about all.

So when Frontline does something on prescription drugs that school shooters were on, I’d be very interested. Otherwise, meh.

Good point. I have read that every single one of these “mass shooters” was on some sort of mind altering drug. Of course I read it on the Internet, soooo… Can this be verified and have the national spotlight put on it? Just like the video games that are played by millions of people and don’t kill anyone, these drugs are also taken by millions of people who don’t kill anyone. Still, if every single one of these mass shooters was on these drugs, it must certainly be considered as a contributory factor.

[Smuckatelli]

@gun71530

Video games and porn are thought to have contributed to the decrease in violent crime. They give people an outlet to play out their fantasies. Blaming games is no different than blaming guns.

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Video games do speed up the cognitive process in relation to decision making. Do video games increase violent crime? IMO; no but they do help to make the violent criminal more efficient.

[D_Christopher]

@Noodles

I would bet the majority of people here grew up around “unsecured” guns with no issues.

My entire childhood I knew where if I wanted to I could find a loaded 38, 1911, or rifle.

To add on that, I would suggest that anyone willing to shoot their mother four times in the head, isn’t going to be put off by “safe storage”.

In case you haven’t noticed it society has changed. What we grew up with doesn’t matter anymore unless you’re just recalling happier times.

The only laws that would apply in most of these cases are the Laws of Physics. By that I mean gun locks of some sort. They’re not perfect but it would prevent some cases and they are better than nothing. At least they might absolve you of legal responsibility in some cases.

And I clearly said it might not have made a difference in this case, but maybe he would have been caught if he had to steal weapons outside the home. We’ll never know. But if you want to leave your guns unsecured that’s up to you. The numbers I’ve seen over the last 20 years convinces me that it’s reckless and foolish.

[glocktogo]

@obucina

Sadly, it will probably take years to just get an answer to the simple facts. Would one be able to use the Freedom of Information Act to obtain the investigative findings?

Not until the case is completed and closed most likely. Even then, some details may never be officially released to the general public.

[Texas42]

@Noodles

If I have to hedge on a single cause, I’ll take brain altering drugs that are given to 5% of all children in the US. Mostly because of idiot parents and doctor kickbacks from pharma.

Vs the video games that the majority of all people play, the ones you suggest can cause violent tendencies. But, that’s just me.

One of these days, I need to get some of those kickbacks I hear everyone talk about. . . . . .

[Magic_Salad0892]

I play videogames, watch porn, and shoot guns.

I’m just fine.

Blaming inanimate objects is just passing the blame. Nobody wants to admit that it was the individual’s fault.

[Magic_Salad0892]

@Smuckatelli

Video games do speed up the cognitive process in relation to decision making. Do video games increase violent crime? IMO; no but they do help to make the violent criminal more efficient.

I believe there was a study done that concluded that CoD helped soldiers have a quicker reaction time. Or something like that.

[Smuckatelli]

@Magic_Salad0892

I believe there was a study done that concluded that CoD helped soldiers have a quicker reaction time. Or something like that.

There have been a lot of studies done. The quicker reaction time comes from the servicemember coming to a decision quicker…not muscle memory type reation times.

Here’s a link to one of the original games used for training, take a look at the 3rd section where things tactics like bounding overwatch is covered:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/23232426/Close-Combat-Marine-Workbook-TRAINING-AID-for-MCI-8104

[Magic_Salad0892]

@Smuckatelli

There have been a lot of studies done. The quicker reaction time comes from the servicemember coming to a decision quicker…not muscle memory type reation times.

Here’s a link to one of the original games used for training, take a look at the 3rd section where things tactics like bounding overwatch is covered:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/23232426/Close-Combat-Marine-Workbook-TRAINING-AID-for-MCI-8104

Thanks, bro. That’s what I’d thought, but I appreciate you bringing up that study.

[Sensei]

@Bulletdog

Good point. I have read that every single one of these “mass shooters” was on some sort of mind altering drug. Of course I read it on the Internet, soooo… Can this be verified and have the national spotlight put on it? Just like the video games that are played by millions of people and don’t kill anyone, these drugs are also taken by millions of people who don’t kill anyone. Still, if every single one of these mass shooters was on these drugs, it must certainly be considered as a contributory factor.

That is not true.

[Waylander]

Psychotropics aren’t the cause.
Many of these killers have suffered from some form of paranoia, schizophrenia, or psychosis in general. If anything I could argue that if they had been treated properly with meds and psychotherapy some of the murders could’ve been prevented.

Correct me if I’m wrong in any of these cases but IIRC…

Dorner was paranoid and felt persecuted but I haven’t heard of him being medicated or abusing.

Holmes apparently didn’t take psychotropics and only abused pain killers AFAIK. Also was paranoid and in his case mental issues is an understatement.

Loughner abused drugs and alchohol. Also paranoid and serious mental issues.

Cho was prescribed Prozac but apparently wasn’t having it filled or taking it.

Millions of people have taken these drugs for decades and aren’t killers…and play violent games, watch porn, abuse drugs and alcohol, etc.

[jaxman7]

@Magic_Salad0892

I play videogames, watch porn, and shoot guns.

I’m just fine.

Looked what happened to your head though!!!

-Jax