Gun owners that are not gun people

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I often find these types the most frustrating to deal with.

Non gun owners, are generally either anti gun or neutral on the issue, so you attempt to educate them as needed, de program them from one sided media BS, use data vs emotion, etc, etc. You know the drill.

Then, there’s those who own guns for a specific use, and can’t fathom any other use.

Example:

I bud is a very dedicated hunter, not just occasional, but virtually every weekend possible, small game season, deer season, licenses in all states in his region, etc. He has a case full of nice hunting rifles, shot guns, and such.

We have gone to the range a few times to site in some new rifle of his and such. He’s no gun expert by any means, but loves his hunting.

Personally, never cared for hunting. Have done if a few times over the years, but it’s just not my “thing”

I go to his house to help him move some stuff. Take off my over shirt as I’m getting hot.

He sees CCW rig and gives a “WTF” type look and a “why are you wearing a gun?”

I respond with usual (as I know him well, he’s a gun owner, etc) comment like “better to have one and not need it, then need it and not have it” type comment, but he persists.

“Why would you need to carry a gun? This is a safe area, blah blah”

Now I’m getting annoyed as I thought this would be almost the last person I would have such a conversation with.

“Dude, you have a case full of guns and blow the heart out of just about anything you legally can, and you can’t see why a person might see fit to carry a method of self defense?”

He says something like “but that’s for hunting, I don’t need a gun other then that, just seems weird you would feel like you needed to carry that thing” and so forth. General paraphrase, but you all know exactly how this goes.

So, I gave him some of the usual reasons, he sort of nodded his head, clearly didn’t “get it” and we moved on.

No biggie, but, it reminded me of those odd people that own guns, use them for some specific use, and still don’t understand the larger picture, other uses of guns, etc, etc

I find them much harder to deal with and fathom then the the usual anti or non gun owner (not always the same thing…) and find they can come from the oddest places.

Have such an experience? How did you deal with them?

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I feel you, brother. I used to work for a Major who was the same way. He was a competition shooter and gun owner, but always acted like a know-it-all and smart-ass whenever I talked about CC. We had this conversation once when he overheard me saying that I was considering switching credit unions if I could find one that was more gun friendly.

Him: “Why do you need a gun in a bank?”

Me: “For personal defense, sir.”

Him: “Why not just let the robbers have their money and leave?”

Me: “If somebody is robbing a place while I’m there and is waving a gun around as a threat they’re using my life as a negotiation tool to get what they want. If that’s all my life is worth to them I would rather take things into my own hands.”

Him: “They probably just don’t want their bank turned into OK Corral.”

Me: :shout:

You can only lead a horse to water… of course this was the same guy who once, having returned from Afghanistan less than a year earlier, argued to me that there was no such thing as a 30rd AK47 magazine. Only 20rd ones. :blink:

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Ugh! What’s the chances of the first person to respond to this having the same initials?

4

I am a federal LEO and have a friend who objects to me carrying when he is around. I am not receptive to his objections.

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“but that’s for hunting, I don’t need a gun other then that, just seems weird you would feel like you needed to carry that thing”

“…and it seems wierd to me how every spring and fall, you go into the woods like a psychopath and stalk and kill a bunch of innocent animals when there is a prefectly fine supermarket right down on the corner just stuffed full of food! I MEAN, YOU ACTUALLY KILL THINGS FOR SPORT!, NOT NEED, JUST SPORT!! Who REALLY needs to hunt!?!”

I always like to take their own ‘logic’ and feed it back to them. Some even see the light.

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i believe the term is Fudd. as long as elmer can blast rabbits, you can ban the rest. this is also why a lot of Left politicians try to get that cameo shot of them bird hunting, and cater to that “2nd amendment” voter.

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I think many people persist in the believe that the odds of ever needing a firearm for self defense are, at best, on par with those of being struck by lightning. I’m not sure that this was ever true in America, but it certainly isn’t true today.

Personally, I’m not nearly as worried about self defense as I am about finding myself in a situation wherein people that I care about are threatened, and I’m caught totally flat-footed, with no ability to offer an effective response.

Carry the tool, and hope that you never have to do the job. But carry the tool nonetheless.

AC

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I have homeowner’s insurance. I own fire extinguishers. I wear a seat belt. I have a spare tire and a jack in my car. I have smoke and CO2 detectors in my home.

In the line of work I am in, I do threat modeling every day. What can go wrong, what is the likelihood of it going wrong, and what is the impact of it going wrong?

As AC stated, CCW is just another tool I pay for, and I hope I will never need.

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i like using the “well you vote” argument.
we basically vote with the hope that our single vote will somehow sway the election for “our guy” to get in. I mean hell, the odds that he’ll even end up being “our guy” are pretty low in the end. The bottom line though is that if you have the right to vote and don’t exercise said right it isn’t worth jack shit.

same goes for firearms. you have the right to bear arms. it’s certainly not a fashion accessory, (hey babe check out my asymmetrical square love handle! :cool: ) people carry on the off chance that that decision will save their lives, and potentially the lives of dozens of innocent people.

Your right to bear arms does nothing for you when you keep it in a safe at home.

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I once overheard a guy at a store saying why do we need 30 rounds mags? Nothing is as exciting as deer hunting huh:lazy2:

I use that same reasoning about the seat belts, fire extinguishers, jumper cables, spare tire, extra belts, stop leak and a either water or coolant, flashlight, multi tool etc. Although you’d be surprised how many people don’t have fire extinguishers.

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I’m a hunter and a gun guy. I also dont care for those types.

My father inlaw looked at me as if i was insane when i pulled out my AR to go hunting. What he said, “i’ll leave those black guns to the army”…i lol’d.

Some people dont and WONT get it.

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it’s gotta be where you lay your head…that is simply not something you experience here in tx.

at least where i am anyway.

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What’s funny is the Fudd’s don’t understand the Constitution doesn’t guarantee you a gun to hunt with, it guarantees you a gun to kill people with…

But maybe it’s just me…

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That is a weird response from a firearms owner, but dedicated Fudds, are a strange bunch anyway. What I’ve noticed over the years is that quite a large population of LEO and Military type organizations, aren’t gun people, despite the fact the carry a weapon in their careers. Even some HSLD types I’ve personally met, were completely ignorant of their personal firearm. I was in shock. It was like talking to a Bubba at the local range.

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It was true for much of America once upon a time, parts have always been violent. And while it was unlikely that my father would be mugged in his small Iowa town in the 50s and 60s, guns were very common and in junior high it wasn’t unusual for him and his buddies to walk through town on Main St. with slung rifles and holstered pistols on their way to shoot cans on the edge of town.

My father always had a gun in the car when I was growing up. He’d have probably carried concealed but that wasn’t an option.

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I was training at MWTC Bridgeport in 09 I believe. I got into a conversation with one of the lead instructors; a gun owning Ssgt. I asked if it was easy to get a CCW up there in the Nor Cal area, to which he responded CCW’s are for pussies that cant fend for themselves. I had no response or rebuttal for his statement other than, “Good to go Ssgt, Im gonna go sit over there now.”

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The FUDDS are a classic type as has been mentioned. But another group that I seem to come into contact with quite a bit are what I term the “hobbyists.” These are the guys who get into shooting, sometimes heavily, but never seem to grasp the true meaning of being able to own a firearm. Even though they may have thousands invested into their firearms, they see it is nothing more than a “hobby” or other form of entertainment, and are thus unconcerned about further encroachment on their rights. They question me puzzlingly when I tell them that the primary reason I want to move from Kalifornia are the gun laws with comments like “you can’t really consider moving just for that.” Many also fall into a “I’ve got mine” subset who feel as long as they have their “whatever”, then who cares if the government restricts others. In many ways, these guys are more dangerous to us that the non-gun owner brady type as they carry a false aura of authority about them. :rolleyes:

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Why would you be friends with someone like that?

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It’s true. Amazingly enough, there are some actual HSLD types who are fucking socialists/big government bots by any definition of the word.

They’re the ones I worry about, not the average Obamabot.

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Texas was the worst place I’ve ever lived for “Fuddism”. I worked as a contractor on Ft Hood as a helicopter technician. Was working on a deal for a DSA STG-58. While waiting for delivery, I showed my boss (who was retired Army, an avid hunter and had a plethora of NRA and “From My Cold Dead Hands” paraphernalia at his desk and plastered all over his truck) a picture of my new rifle. A look of disdain crossed his face and he let out a “what the hell do you need one of those for?” He wasn’t the only one in Tejas who showed that kind or prejudice.

Of course, I’ve run into this other places as well. One guy I worked with in California was an ex-cop. He told me there was a polymer & ceramic pistol specifically designed and marketed to be used by terrorists to smuggle past airport metal detectors. When I tried to explain the facts to him he simply said “Look, I was a police officer and the department showed me the flyer.” Ooookay…

I’m glad not all LEOs are like that