GOT Back Pain?

Chronic back pain is at epidemic proportions that costs $100 billion annually in the US alone. That’s billion with a capital B folks! One of my favorite general public articles on the topic was in News Week and was titled “The Great Back Debate.”

In many respects, it was a most ground breaking article. Why? Because it was major “mainstream” publication that attempted to examine truly non-traditional causes of back pain. It made a serous attempt to look at non-physical causes of back pain and non-invasive treatments. Causes that would have been relegated to “non-scientific” status just a few years before that, were being taken seriously by a normally conservative publication. I consider it a must read article for anyone with chronic back pain.

In particular, the article explored the psychological basis for back pain, and did so commendably. Since that article, several reviews on the topic have come out, and continued to support the general conclusions from the News Week article. Some key comments in the article for example:

The answer, Carragee and others believe, has as much to do with the mind as it does with the body. In the HIZ study, the best predictor of pain was not how bad the defect looked but the patient’s psychological distress. Depression and anxiety have long been linked to pain; a recent Canadian study found that people who suffer from severe depression are four times more likely to develop intense or disabling neck or low-back pain. At the Integrative Care Center of New York’s Hospital for Special Surgery, physiatrist Gregory Lutz says he routinely sees men who have two things in common: rip-roaring sciatica and an upcoming wedding date. The problem in their back, possibly a degenerated or herniated disc, probably already existed, says Lutz, but was intensified by the ole premarriage jitters.”

Various alternative and traditional treatments are covered with a solid overview of them all, including the work of Dr. Sarno, who has concluded essentially all back problems have their root in deep emotional phenomena. I personally know a few spine and pain specialists who are big fans of Dr. Sarno’s work, even if they would hesitate to admit that in public.

A few years after the News Week Article came out, the Washington Post had an article examining the psychological relationship to back pain in more depth. There is a growing acceptance that Psychological factors/treatments can affect pain, in this case lower back pain. The issue at this point is not “if” psychology plays a roll is chronic pain syndromes, but by how much, is where the debate rests at this point. A conservative “old school” doc might say it plays a minor roll, where as people like Dr. Sarno mentioned above feel it’s actually the primary cause of back pain.

Regardless, people with back pain often look strictly for physical causes and cures and ignore the psychological aspects, which is a big mistake in my view. It’s now very clear there’s solid support for treating such pain syndromes with both physical and psychological based therapies. As the article in the Washington Post mentions in the article Psychological Treatments Ease Low Back Pain:

U.S. researchers examined the findings of 22 studies of patients with low back pain conducted between 1982 and 2003 and concluded that psychological treatments not only improve health-related quality of life and lower the risk of depression, they also reduce patients’ experience of pain.”

If you have chronic back pain, I highly recommend you read both articles, and consider non-physical causes and treatments for that pain…

I’ll tell you what has done more good for my back than anything in years, has been some yoga exercises, AND deadlifts and squats!

Yeah, me too. Minus the yoga.

I have 4 bulging disks, from L5-S1 on up. When it “goes out” (i.e. spasms) I can’t walk straight upright. Twice in the almost 18 years I’ve had this issue it has been so bad that I felt like I was being tortured…no shit. In those instances the pain came in waves and I firmly believe that an older, frail person in borderline health could’ve had fatal cardiac issues from the pain. It is the worst I’ve ever felt in my life, and I’ve stepped on a stingray before too. Usually it just hurts like hell and I can’t stand erect, missing work if it isn’t on my off days. Maybe a 3-4 day recovery to full “normality”.

That all said, it’s been almost a year since I’ve had it “go out” (knock on wood). I am VERY cognizant of my back when doing stuff, especially lifting weights. I am careful to put one hand on my knee as support when moving weights around. I don’t do bent-over rows or squats or deadlifts. I do shrug fairly heavy but wear a belt really snug for support. Knees are shot too so my leg workout consists of biking and tire dragging, though the latter of which I can feel stress the lower back a tad. I train abs several times a week and I firmly believe that a strong core is a must for supporting the lumbar area.

There are plenty of times (more often than not unfortunately) where my lower back feels “twitchy”, like it can go out if I do the wrong thing. I take that as a warning and exercise caution but almost always drive-on through it. I refuse to surrender!

Bumping this thread with some new intel:

This study again shows there’s a psychological component to back pain and meditation appears helpful in a wide range of conditions, either directly or indirectly. If you have chronic back pain, STOP looking for strictly physical causes and cures as the only approach to it and look to adding cognitive behavioral therapy such as meditation :

“Our results confirm what has already been found for (cognitive behavioral therapy), and we went beyond that to show this other mindfulness approach was equally effective for chronic back pain,” said Daniel C. Cherkin, a senior scientific investigator at the Group Health Research Institute in Seattle. Cherkin is the lead author of the study, which was published Tuesday in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

Can meditation banish back pain?

It might seem too good to be true that relief from that nagging back pain could be found in meditation and yoga. But a new study suggests this approach might be just as effective as cognitive behavioral therapy, a common technique involving relaxation and education. And both could be more effective than popping an over-the-counter pain reliever.
Researchers compared the two approaches in 229 adults between ages 20 and 70 with long-term low back pain. They assigned about half to receive eight weekly sessions of mindfulness-based stress reduction, involving meditation and yoga, and the other half to receive eight sessions of cognitive behavioral therapy, which focuses on helping people change the way they think about pain. Another 113 adults continued their usual care, which often involved ibuprofen and other pain meds.

The researchers found that by the end of the eight-week course, 47% of people in the mindfulness group said their back pain was less disabling, based on factors such as difficulty walking and carrying out everyday activities. A similar number of people, 52%, in the cognitive behavioral therapy group reported less disabling pain. Both groups fared better than the group that did not change treatment, of whom only 35% had experienced improvements.
“Our results confirm what has already been found for (cognitive behavioral therapy), and we went beyond that to show this other mindfulness approach was equally effective for chronic back pain,” said Daniel C. Cherkin, a senior scientific investigator at the Group Health Research Institute in Seattle. Cherkin is the lead author of the study, which was published Tuesday in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

Cont:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/24/health/back-pain-relief-meditation-mindfulness/index.html

To Learn more on “mindful meditation” see thread:

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?179341-Can-quot-Mindfulness-quot-Help-You

While I don’t do yoga, my back isn’t what it should be with lower back issues such as arthritis developing in the lower and neck area of my spine, and the thinning down of my discs. At least that was what I was explained after my MRI. The Doctor (obviously not Chiropractor) prescribed me some Prednisone which did nothing to ease the “sensation” (most would say pain) I was being nuisance[d] by along with sciatica down the whole of my right side of my gluteal area, leg, and feet. He told me that I was young enough to simply overcome these issues by eating right, losing some weight, exercising and strengthening my core area.

Lost some weight I did and some core strengthening and trying to eat right. But what did help me in my instance, was doing/did inversions and dips. That did bring me relief! Of course as with all things, in regular moderation and not to extremes. While that may not be probable for some, it did help me out more than quite a bit that I eventually don’t “feel” the sciatica sensation and the lower back issues I experienced. I walk everyday for about 2 hours. While I do feel the relief now and none of the “sensations” (most would say pain) as prior, I’m sure that it’ll come back as I get older, but hoping that it will not.

I have got to give a big thumbs up for Yoga. If I dont do 25 minutes a6 days a week I have back pain. So the first workout of the day at 0530 is Yoga. Later in the day a run and at 1530 it’s the gym to lift.

I am my own boss so I can do my schedule as I need it.

I am experiencing some lower back pain, although I have never really had lower back pain in my life until now.

One thing I am pretty sure is causing it is our new mattress.

I think I let the mattress store salesman talk me into too soft of a mattress. I actually laid on the firmest one they had at the store (…and it felt very good) but the salesmen said, “that is too firm and will probably give you soreness…look at this one” and I stupidly took his advice.

I am actually more comfortable on a stiffer mattress and I am sure the softer pillow top mattress we bought is causing my problems. Once I get up and do some stretching…my back feels 10 times better.

Next time…I am going with my gut and buying a former mattress! LOL

May people prefer a firm sleeping surface. Personally, my favorite by far is Stroble, their Supple-Pedic Memory Foam 6000 Mattress. I have 4 of them. Think TemperPedic but way better. Not cheap, but I have one almost 20 years old and feels no different than when it was new, so a savings long term.

Has anyone here with chronic back pain tried or heard of Auriculotherapy? I’ve been hearing about it and I’m wondering if anyone has any first hand accounts of it working or not working.

A regular massage, exercise and swimming can help to great extent so as to get rid of back pain.

Dr. Sarno’s book should be a mandatory read. That plus yoga several times a week, core fitness/lifting and stretching have helped me to greatly reduce my back pain and continue to serve in the military as well as pursue my hobby sports.

For reference I’ve got a number of herniated discs in the low back along with spinal stenosis.

Agreed, I think Sarno is decades ahead of his time and his basic premise went from dismissed to partial acceptance by many within the mainstream med community.