got a real situation

I’m at the range now. Fired 100 rds wolf. Was shooting three more rounds to verify a sight change and the third rd went click. Firing pin is fwd, bolt is stuck 3/4 way fwd, on what is likely live rd. Letting her cool off but bolt won’t come back. I can get it to move a tad, but she won’t clear. Thanks.

Can you mortar i live round?
Is it safe?

If you can seperate the upper and lower you may be able to pry the bcg back from underneath. Hard to tell without being there.

When mortaring, ALWAYS assume the round is live. Don’t point the muzzle anywhere stupid.

And have a spare charging handle in case your do an extra good job of mortaring. :smiley:

Now I am no expert…but I’m assuming you pulled the mag and found the third bullet cycled, meaning it cycled (half way) into the chamber and is now jammed? Or did you have a mag loaded with unknown number and you may not even know if the half way chambered shell fired or not?

If the bolt just didn’t close all the way, and the round is live, the click was the hammer hitting the under side of the bolt and nothing touched the primer thus far…correct?

If the last round stove piped, well, no live round…cool.

Only similar situation I’ve had was when a round fired, but shell got jammed forward by the bolt smashing the casing neck against the charge handle’s gas tube hole. The next round in the mag was jammed under the fired round’s shell and started it’s way into the chamber. Could not pull the bolt back because the charge handle was wedged by the shell. Could not take down the upper and lower receivers. I had to use another bullet to pry the shell out from between the bolt and the front of charge handle.

Is that a similar, or even a common type of jam?

That wasn’t what I was asking.
I know how to mortar a stuck round.

I was asking if there was a chance of the cartridge discharging.
Perhaps any danger of it going kaboom out of battery. (Please don’t start a derailment about OOB fire people.)

If the bolt carrier isn’t forward then the firing pin isn’t touching the primer barring parts breakage.

Bolt or bcc wont come back? Have you checked brass for popped primers, ripped case heads, etc… Some kind of obstruction?

Eta I’d the bolt is not in battery, you shouldn’t have primerstrike. But as above don’t win the Darwin award for a jam. Use gun safety and your head(not as a target).

So what happened with this?

I was 5 minutes from a gun shop. Took it in. One of them knows ARs, and took it to the back and came back with it unstuck. He said he just applied some muscle to it. Thanks for the diagram above. Never had a round do this before.

Of course they asked what I was shooting when I walked in… “Wolf” - at which they all gave me the evil eye, and said I should not use that in my M4.

This is a big dissappointment as my son’s gun eats it like candy, even if his gun isn’t sparkling clean. I shot about 30-40 rounds of Wolf a month ago, then only cleaned the BCG and bore, then after 100 rounds today, JAMO. [Was shooting the VZ, so carbine took a break]. The live round seems to have not even gone in the whole way - no dent on the primer - it was the last round in the mag. I guess the chamber was so dirty, it just stuck in part way! Again - the bolt was stuck 1/4 of the way rearward. No pulling on the bolt handle would unstick it. Banging it on the ground may have done the trick though.

I’ll say one thing - ARs don’t like to fire out of battery. I swear the trigger/hammer went ‘click’ - and I know the FP was fowd.

I just would like to shoot 20 cent/rd ammo - its accurate anough. Makes me want to stick to AKs/VZs…

Just curious. What kind of rifle are you shooting with?
Glad you got it unstuck.

good to hear you were able to get the round removed. it would’ve made me really uncomfortable to drive to a gun shop with my rifle in that condition.

The FP may well be forward but if the bolt isn’t locked then the tip of the pin can’t extend past the bolt face.

Chances are the chamber in your rifle is too tight for Wolf’s inconsistencies.

A brass round beaten out of the chamber after several hundred rounds of Wolf.

Interesting - I’ve had two Wolf rounds act exactly like you’re talking about.

I pulled the trigger and CLICK! I thought it was a misfire, but when I ejected the round, the primer hadn’t been touched. Fine, I pulled my BCG out, made sure it was alright, and tried the round again. CLICK! This time I noticed that the BCG lacked about 3/4" closing, just enough for the hammer to drop but nowhere near enough for the firing pin to protrude from the boltface.

As it turned out, the cases were slightly too big in diameter just up from the base. Imagine a reload that hadn’t been fully full-length resized.

My rifle is a BCM 16" carbine with BCM BCG, etc. so I seriously doubt it was due to a tight chamber.

Even though my response was in relation to another’s post.

I wasn’t exactly talking to you.

:cool:

Unfortunately there isn’t a hi-five smiley, or I’d employ it now :smiley:

I used to have a Stag carbine that absolutely would not extract any brass casing after shooting Wolf, until the chamber was cleaned.