Glock G19: The Once and Future King?

General Firearms Handguns - Semi Auto
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It seems there isn’t a month that goes by that there isn’t a new “Glock Killer”

But how many have come and gone? How many had potential, hype, buy me, try me, best thing that ever was … only to cavitate into anonymity or implode around the hype?

I came out of a post SIG phase in carrying CZ PCR 2008-ish and bought into the M&P 1.0 hype-train … only to watch that spiral into trigger, barrel accuracy issues, etc. It wasn’t platform ending or as bad as, say, the P320 drop snafu, but it really seemed to put the brakes on its adoption.

The list of challnegers is long and while the Glock may not intrinsically be perfect it reigns to this day … and I don’t expect that is likely to change.

In no particular order and likely missing many:

S&W SW99
Walther P99
HK VP9
Canik TP9
P250
P320
PPQ/PPQ M2
Caracal
Steyr M9
Beretta APX
CZ P07
XD/XDM
FN FNS
FN 509

(Whats missing?)

I was part of the run-around looking for the rightful heir … and there have been many rallying cries among industry celebs/experts to the new form-factor (and for poptentially a number of reasons: philosophical, economic, emotional, etc). Even here at nailed-down M4C … amongst many of the most admired members and SMEs … the M&P9, the CZ P07, HK VP9 and now the M&P 2.0 and CZ P10C.

So, as we now stand looking at the Glock/S&W/CZ contenders duking it out again … is either of the contenders really capable of dethroning the Glock?

What will it really take?

Can it be done with ‘same-as’ pricing?

How much better will it really have to be?

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There’s no one glock killer imo

People choose them for different reasons, what may sway one may not sway another

Simplicity,ease of use, simple internals, aftermarket support

M2.0 is close to sitting next to my Glock’s but not replacing them with the new 2.0c out

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Glock has and will continue to reign King of the polymer pistol world. The G19 checks too many boxes.

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“We Live in a Glock World”

'Nuff Said.

Although I personally prefer the 17. The 19’s grip hump just feels all wrong for me, like it’s in the wrong place compared to the 17 or something. But you can’t argue with the near universal consensus that the 19 is the best compromise between concealibility and capacity.

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IMO before the Gen5 there were other more enticing options that offered more for the price point such as an ambi slide stop. Now that the Gen5 checks all the boxes and you dont need to spend the extra cash to remove the finger groves, I say its the King.

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People only buy pistols that aren’t Glock 9mms because they want to be different - a sobering thought considering their life may hang in the balance.

This whole “grip doesn’t feel right” “doesn’t point right” thing for the Glock has never been something I have seen folks who have 1,000 rounds down the pipe talk about. It seems to be a pot-belly gun store troglodyte ad hominem for wanting to be “different”

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We’ve covered this before, but I just prefer how the 17 sits in the hand for me. Nothing wrong with the 19 I would just never choose it over the 17 because I have stubby fingers and the grip of the 17 is longer making the hump lower where I can actually wrap my fingers around the 17 better. I can’t get a good grip on the 19 because the grip is wider where I don’t need it to be.

It may not seem significant to you, but for the same reason I would never own the .45 caliber Glock: grip too fat. YMMV and we can agree to disagree but I ditched my 19’s for 17’s years ago and haven’t looked back.

No one will ever be able to talk me down on this point. Don’t even try. It’s like I know AR Pmags are supposed to be the shizzle, but I don’t like them and don’t use them.

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Glock.

The end.

Everything else is just itch-scratching and wine sniffing.

Also, in before:

>b-but muh g-grip angle
>b-but muh “ergonomics”
>b-but muh “comfort”
>b-but the trigger

Buy Glock. Shoot it. None of the the above listed amateur-hour gripes are quantifiable “issues.” They’re attitude problems.

You start “outshooting” the gun? Good. Get yourself a KKM barrel.

This is literally the easiest decision a potential handgun purchaser could possibly make.

You wanna throw bullets or put on a ****ing fashion show?

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Confused

Isn’t a Glock 17 chambered for 9mm?

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Why are you confused? I was comparing grip sizes.

I also ditched my Gen 3’s for Gen 4’s because the Gen 4 grip is just that much thinner.

You like the 19 over the 17. I get it. Goody for you. Both of us have had thousands of rounds through our pistols. We have our preference. Nothing more than that. YMMV. Nobody’s right and nobody’s wrong.

I won’t argue the 19 is king. No dispute there. You just won’t see me with one as long as I can get my hands on a 17.

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My preference is for the G17 as well, only because it’s still relatively compact for a “full-sized” handgun.

The differences are irrelevant; if you want a 9mm, the only viable options on the ****ing planet are Glocks.

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End of story.

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The Walther PPQ M1 is arguably a better handgun in a few specific criteria: fully ambidextrous, fantastic stock trigger.

Overall, it has the best ergonomics of any handgun that I’ve ever trained with. Were the armed professional world centered around a given pistol, I would consider a PPQ along with a Glock 19/17. The again, as an institution, the interoperability of the Glock platform would easily supplant the individual user’s needs.

So, really, I just argued FOR the Glock by the end of my wandering astray.

Which is exactly how I always end up whenever I enter a thought exercise about handguns. Glock is Home. I always return.

ETA: they are even addressing the ambi question with Gen 5 having the ambi slide stop. Plus the mag release can be reversed…

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Where did I say anything about a Glock 19 dude?

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The Glock is the “only viable option”? That’s a bold and misinformed statement.

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I was replying to your statement that caring about the grip’s size and angle somehow means a person is a gun store commando who hasn’t shot pistols much or has never had any training. I LOL’ed at first then took it kinda personal. Sorry if I took your post the wrong way.

Nobody criticizes 1911 owners who prefer a flat mainspring housing over an arched one. I prefer a Glock 17 over a 19 because it’s primarily the same thing: grip preference.

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An excellent observation. Minor accuracy factors aside (and none that matter in terms of the role) they all shoot the same bullet.

All of the “it’s new” revolve around minutia.

Also, if the 19 is King, the 17 is certainly the Knight of the order.

Anyhow, as to the original question … what would it take?

Frankly, I think in large part Glock just won the dimensions lottery early and every competitor that tries ultimately faces the conundrum … “we can’t have the same measurements without having to admit the Glocks already have it right.” They all have to “try and be better” … and then aren’t.

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In fact, this is exactly what the thread is about.

What is a true contender and what does it need to succeed?

To date even the best efforts amount to nothing more than niche players … unless you consider the P320 and … well … that has it’s own issues, it seems.

Or do you think that is the actual sum of it?

Is Glock not viable for you and do you think your chosen alternative is legitimately capable of being a wide spread replacement?

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That is why I turned one of my g17’s into a 19l

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A G19 to me is like a G43 for most.

I like G17 as a result but unless there is a radical, and I mean radical, design that exceeds the Glocks then it will be a Glock world probably past most of us are dead and buried.

People can like what they want and buy what they want. I have a few non Glock guns because they excel in one or two niche areas where a Glock doesn’t (but fall short in totality) or just because I wanted it.

But to really split hairs over it is kind of lame and indicative of one who doesn’t really rely on a handgun everyday.

There is a culture of CCW people who treat guns (and knives) as fashion statements. Keep rocking in the free world. If it can successfully fire a bullet then it should work should the less than likely occur.

But if I was told I had to live in the jungle for 40 years and wander until I was granted passage to the promised land; then I am taking a Glock.

Not a Revolver. Not an HK. Not a 1911. Not a Makarov. Not a Sig. Not some “new” gun.

A Glock. And wont think twice.

Honestly, I could part with every last gun to my name as long as I could have a good, solid Gen 3 G17.

If I have no heirs, once I hit 60; I am unloading ALLLLLLL my shit save for my G17.

So in 2042, be on the lookout on the EE.

All proceeds will go towards a mural van and a crazy 20 yo Redhead gymnast.