How can you explain one Glock doing it with singular shooter, another Glock not? Same ammunition?
Then simply replacing parts, the problem goes away?
Competent shooters with 100s of ours of training and tens of thousands of rounds a year down range…quality Speer Lawmen ammunition. Yes, more competent than the majority of LE.
I’m not saying your experience isn’t valid, but Glock made tons of shit pistols in the 2010-2011 time range. Call out my fundamentals all you want, but I’m certain I’d give you a run for your money on the range.
Just reporting what my experience has been. Pat Rogers didn’t like my stance, either.
If you read my edit, you’ll see that I also noted that during the armorers service done on our basic class firearms, upgrades were usually done. I conceded that might be one reason.
Send me a 336 ejector and I’ll test it with my powder puff 115’s, which barely dribble out of the ejection port, then with my hotter 124’s, oh wait, no need that is all my 17’s and 19’s have in them. I’m random on LCI extractors, but proper bushings in all.
I also don’t shoot left or right (I’m a lefty) with Glocks - know where to place the trigger finger on the trigger. We used sharpies to mark that place and, when we got the shooter into a proper grip, to trace the location of the support thumb. Easy for the coach to see if the shooter is getting every thing in place during first range days. Very, very rarely had to use the sight pusher.
Why don’t we just chalk this up to me being a BTF atheist, and you being a person of faith. No need to get heated, as if over religion.
Plus, I didn’t start the thread, did I? Or reactivate it after it was dormant for five years.
All my 336 ejectors are in use. I had just one gun that wouldn’t run with one and it was replaced with a 32074 or whatever the number. It an an Apex and spring took care of it. That 336 went in the trash so I wouldn’t accidentally use it as a replacement in one of the other guns at some point.
All my other Glocks would shoot the softest competition loads or the hot stuff.
Weird. I guess my fundamentals sucked with that particular Gen 4 G19, but my identical clone my fundamentals got better!
I have three Gen 4 19’s… two have zero issues, the the third was BFF at an increasing rate after 1000 rounds. The Apex extractor, spring and 32074 ejector cure mine as well. I was a BFF denier until I got this particular Gen 4.
Saying that it’s a matter of faith, that you’re BTF-atheist because you’ve never seen it, is like saying that you’re car accident atheist because you’ve never been in one.
I’ve explained my frame of reference, been fairly open-minded, IMO, in discussing why I may not have seen the phenomenon.
I’m not trying to convert anyone, or gather a band of anti-BTF nut huggers around me, how about we just quit and let everyone relish their experiences.
I posted many years ago, around 2011/2012, about my then new-ish G17 giving btf for many many rounds. Bought a $12, shipping included, 32074 elector…hasnt happened again in years and thousands of rounds. It WAS a thing…not anymore.
I recently got a January 2011 produced G19 Gen4 that has terrible BTF. I feel like I’ve had issues in the past every once in a while but this gun will put every single piece right into your nose. It’s ****ing annoying, and has created a flinch with every trigger pull.
Are the parts I need an Apex extractor, an Apex spring, and a 32074 ejector?
My experience mirrors that of 26 Inf. Most of the ammunition fired was .40 S&W; a semi-trailer load of .40 S&W would be expended in under 2 years. We trained a considerable number of people carrying Glock 9mm pistols and I’ve purchased 3 new Glock 9mm pistols for my own use since 2010. I still haven’t seen the BTF issue in training classes or with experienced shooters shooting Glock 9mm.
This old argument still rages? People do love their Glocks…more power to 'em. Me…? I was relieved to be rid of the piece of shit. In a world where meticulously crafted and highly functional handguns are everywhere, I don’t have to saddle myself with one that was so defective for me and (obviously) so many others.
Our backgrounds are different. When I was in the Marines, if I wanted that pistol expert badge to match my rifle badge, I had to do it with a rattle trap 1911A1 out of the arms room, likewise at the PD, if I wanted to shoot master and get to go to firearms instructor school, I had to do it with the issued S&W Model 66 (which was a very nice revolver BTW) and when LE went to pistols, I first used the Smith 639, then the Glock, to mirror what most of our students were using.
I believe you’ll find that most of the shooters who came up through LE, are used to shooting what they are issued, as is, and aren’t as prone to chase platforms. That is not snark, that is just fact for many officers.
Personally, I thought it was important that my gear as an instructor mirrored the average student I was training, up until I retired 3 years ago I shot action pistol, production class, with a Glock 22 (converted to 9mm) out of a level three security holster.
I switched to an M&P 2.0 5in for action pistol, but when the 19X’s came out decided that since I was also shooting GSSF matches I ought to shoot the 19X in action pistol. Having enough Glocks to shoot well (in my case OK) requires a bunch of different Glock models.
Different perspectives.
Why everyone gets upset that I haven’t experienced or seen the issue of BTF during my career, I don’t know. I’d like to think I know at least as much about the subject as the average bear.
I’ve allowed that perhaps it’s because after Glock replaced the 336 ejector with the 30274 ejector, we upgraded student weapons, but, then again, we had a pretty good period of time with the 336 ejector before the 30274 came along. Likewise, Glock made some changes to the extractors along the way, going from the 98 extractor (90 degree non-LCI) to the 1895 extractor (15 degree LCI) and different spring loaded bearings. Again, we had several years with the 98 extractor, and certainly didn’t recognize BTF was a problem.
At this point I don’t know what to say, other than we need to let it go, apparently that is beyond Euro’s ability, and I’m OCD.
Most of the ones I shoot with at USPSA…well, my first match I was beating them. They all told me “slow down and get your hits!” First place in production but I only won because “I miss faster than they hit” but still had more alphas somehow.
You just aren’t shooting with the right Boomers. Or, the glare from your hair gel and beard oil, was disorienting to them, and they were making side bets as to when you’d bust out of your skinny jeans, all of which might limit performance. :jester:
All I can say is beware of bald boomers with ponytails who are reliving their youth.
I’m too old for skinny jeans and too bald for hair gel at this point [emoji23]
Been trying to get one boomer in general to come out. He was sponsored by a big name manufacturer in the 90s. He keeps telling me USPSA is just fast and inaccurate guys and my .6s draw is only because of my “race holster” (I shoot production division with a regular old kydex holster).
He also says unloading and showing clear will get me killed in dah streetz and doing 1.6s bill drills clean is training myself for a lawsuit.
Dudes a police instructor and competed with a fishing vest.