Well, those of you who’ve read my comments on other Glock threads will know that I’ve been plagued with a 3rd Gen OD G19 that simply will not eject properly. It came back from the factory with the newest design extractor yesterday, and, in 300 rounds fired today, I had two hit the top of my head, four land on my right shoulder blade, and one land on my left forearm.
I lucked out and got a VERY supportive rep in the Tech department, who, after hearing my tale of woe, is sending me a shipping label, a return form, and emphasized that, since this is an LE duty gun that I’ve lost confidence in, if I “have any special requests” I should indicate them - basically telling me that I can have a new pistol if I want one.
My conundrum is, what to get? My agency only authorizes 9mm or 40 S&W, or I’d get a Gen4 G21. At this point, I’m “gun shy” of any 9mm Glock; but I really don’t like the recoil profile of the Glocks in .40. So, do I ask for another 3rd Gen G19 and hope this one works? Or, ask for a Gen4 G19, since they’ve put so much effort into getting them working that it seems they’re OK now? Or, a Gen4 G23, and carry it, but train with my issued G19?
Personally I wouldn’t trade an OD Glock for a black one simply because OD Glocks can be sold for a premium. I’d sell it for around $600 (which you could easily get on Gunbroker), then buy a new Glock of my choosing and pocket the profit. YMMV.
I’d trade/get rid of an unreliable OD anything in a heartbeat to get a reliable gun. These things are Glocks, not plasma-finished and engraved Korths. I personally haven’t seen all that much desire, let alone premiums for the OD Glocks-they were discontinued for a reason: slow sales. While there are some Glocks considered desirable from a collector standpoint, from what I’ve observed there is relatively low likely investment potential in virtually any Glock, especially compared to other firearms-and it’s likely to take a very, very long time for any such appreciation in such Glocks to occur.
I’d suggest that you take Glock up on their offer, and replace your unreliable OD Gen 3 G19 with either a current-production Gen 3 (preferably, in my opinion at this point in time) or a current production Gen4 G19 (i.e., with the latest non-MIM extractor, recoil spring assembly, and ejector).
I think you should get the pistol with the highest resell value and then sell it as new. If you have lost confidence in Glocks then get something else.
I can confirm that my 3rd Gen came back with a “new” extractor - non-dip, but with an angle to the top surface (as opposed to the old parallel design from pre-2010). I can’t tell if it’s MIM or bar steel; all I know is it didn’t change the performance of my problematic pistol.
As far as selling this pistol, there’s no way I’d ever pass a problem child along to someone else, and, since I bought this as a Blue Label LE pistol, it would be ethically questionable, in my book, to try to sell it to a third party at a profit.
I think I’ll ask for a replacement G19, just haven’t decided if I should go for a 3rd Gen or Gen4 with upgrades. For the life of me, I can’t figure out how JUST the extractor would be causing the problems I’m having with this pistol - and I’m wondering if the new Gen4 ejector isn’t a better fit across the board. Of course, having read Randy’s discourse on the issue, maybe my ejection port is out of spec; or it could be any number of other issues, I guess.
Honestly, if I didn’t carry an issued G19 when I went OCONUS on travel, I’d probably just get another G19 to resell, and switch to a different platform. But, there’s nothing I can see on the market now which has enough advantages to pull me out of Glock-dom, given how invested I am in equipment, training, and muscle memory with the Glock platform.
Speaking as someone who was in the market for an OD G19 for about six months, I would have to disagree. I was checking Gunbroker on an almost daily basis, and I never saw one that was under $600. Looking at Gunbroker right this moment, the only OD G19 listed is a used one with a starting bid of $749 (not saying it’ll sell for that much, but you get my point.).
As far as the ethical issues of selling a gun that shoots brass in your face, I see no reason why the OP couldn’t mention that in his add?
Anyways, do what you want. All I’m saying is that posting an add just for the Hell of it wouldn’t hurt, and if you can make a couple bucks on the thing, why wouldn’t you? Worst case-scenario is you’ll get no takers and still be able to make a trade with Glock in a few weeks.
There’s a local,well established, fairly high-volume gunshop in my area that has a fairly large case full of OD Glocks for Homeland Defender (LEO/military) sales-they got a bunch when the discontinuation was announced, but they’ve been pretty slow movers for them from what I’ve observed over the last several months (The gunshop, by the way, is The Marksman, in Puyallup, WA).
It would seem that there might be significantly less interest for these OD Glocks in LEO/military user circles than in others.
No, I’m actually NOT sure that they’re in fact shipping them, especially regarding current-production Gen 3 guns. On my very recent production (October 2011) Gen 3 G19, which was a GSSF award gun coming directly to my FFL from Glock, the extractor was the MIM one (shiney black finish, more tightly fitted/difficult to remove), which I immediately replaced with an older Gen 3 LCI(but brand new) non-MIM extractor.
My guess is that 1) Glock tends to batch-produce, and 2) that prioritization is being given to the Gen4 guns regarding the new non-MIM extractors; but that Glock will be very supportive of replacing any problematic ones on request-but that they may request that the entire gun be shipped in, to examine thoroughly and look for and rectify any interrelated problems.
Personally, a duty or personal defense handgun that works some, or most of the time would of no use to me at all & I’d unload it at my earliest convenience.
I’d take Glock up on their offer of a replacement. I’d keep in touch with your tech rep, then shoot the bejeesus out of the replacement to make sure it works to your satisfaction, before calling the deal final.
Kevin I would check to see if you have the newest ejector in your G19. If you do then I would have Glock change out the pistol for one that works. The newest Gen4 G19’s I’ve had the opprotunity to shoot have been very nice. Some people have noted that their previously “malfunction-free” Gen4’s start to show issues at around the 5k mark, so who knows. I would change it out ASAP if they put in the new ejector and you still have issues.
Have you shot the .40 Gen 4 Glocks? The new dual recoil spring makes it more manageable. Might be something you want to try and shoot at your local range and see what you think.
Have you tried simply replacing your extractor with the Lone Wolf, or the old Gen3 that can be found at (I think) Glockmeister or Glockparts?