So checking out Apex Tactical’s website it seems they same the FRE extractor is not compatible with the model 26. Is there any reason the FRE wouldn’t work with the 26? I’m asking here because it seems there is no longer an Apex Sub forum.
Not sure why it doesn’t work, but it certainly doesn’t. Installed Apex extractors on a pair of Gen 3 26s and they both became literal jam-o-matics. Like every other round had a failure to feed or a failure to extract.
A call to Apex revealed that the 26 has different tolerances and that they could make it work if you send them your slide and they machined out your slide to fit that particular extractor (or vice versa, I can’t remember the exact conversation).
So on the 26 you need to stick with the factory extractor or else send your slide to Apex and let them fit it for you.
What chaffs my ass is I shot 300 rounds through my 26, 250 of 115 blazer brass and 50 of HST 124, HST I had zero brass to the face, but the blazer brass 2-3 out of every 10 round magazine came back at me, some straight back into my face. Ironically when I gave the 26 the old “limp wrist” test shooting 1 handed holding on with just my middle finger, ZERO brass to the face. Could it be my grip is too firm?
I just cannot understand why Glock can’t get their shit together, this has been like 4 years of this crap now! My old 19 from 2008 functions like a sewing machine with perfect ejection pattern. My new Gen4 19 will throw an occasional piece of brass back at me, but whatever I expected to have to put an Apex extractor in. Now I’m probably going to have to contact Apex and hope they can install their extractor.
Now I’m worried the new 43 single stack may have BTF issues, looks like I’ll be sitting out waiting to see some reviews first… Rant over
How far are you seeing casings eject. My new gen 4 17 looks like they just flop out. Factory loads and my hand loads and my m&p shield throws them 5-8 feet. Lol
A lot of casings on the right arm, more so with the 19 but the 26 is the one throwing brass back at me. I’m gonna try some lawman I think, see how the gun runs with some 124gr lawman.
I know mine usually “Drops” then it seems like. No failures to feed, stove pipes, etc but weak ejection. Most of my loads are max or near max hand loads too. I usually run 115 Berrys, 124 Berrys and mid Atlantic cast 125gr bullets. Getting 1150+ fps. Same loads in shield throw the hell out of them.
No malfunctions for me either, carry ammo ejects fine so brass to the eyeball during a defensive shooting isn’t a real concern, brass to the face with target ammo is more of an annoyance than anything. It still pisses me off, my M&Ps & VP9 spit brass 3-4 O’Clock every time regardless of ammo.
I put an Apex Gen 3 extractor in my Gen 3 G26, and it runs just fine. I have no more brass to face.
I also installed an HRED. http://www.whitesounddefense.com/products/H.R.E.D.-9mm.html
I figured that Apex had simply not tested the extractor enough to stand behind it for the G26 yet.
Do you guys really thing these parts are different? I certainly may be wrong, but I have had no malfunctions so far. I will shoot it some more when I get back home.
I’ve been in contact with Apex, still waiting to hear some more specifics from them but I believe the apex FRE has caused some failure to feed and eject issues in some 26s which is why it isn’t listed as a drop in part.
My gen 3 G26 has the apex extractor, their plunger spring, and non-lci Spring load Bearing. No more brass to face.
Good to hear, I ordered 2 apex extractors, 1 for the 19 & 26 (and non LCI SLB) so we shall see…
I just e-mailed Apex asking for an update on their timeline for a G26-approved extractor.
Tonight I shot my G26 gen. 4 FDE (serial #YGExxx) for the first time and got one failure to extract and two BTF out of 200 rounds. The gun is in stock condition except for an Apex Ultimate Safety Plunger and Glock factory maritime spring cups. The gun was purchased new before shooting tonight, and was not cleaned, but field stripped and Slip 2000 EWG grease was liberally applied before shooting. The magazines used were the three that came with the gun, along with three other factory G26 magazines that are less than two years old, with minimal round count/time loaded. I was firing SHO (right hand) within the first 50 rounds with the gun canted at about 45 degrees when the malfunction occurred. The spent case was pulled about halfway out of the chamber, with the live round underneath. The slide was difficult to retract, and the spent case had to be shaken out of the chamber.
There is a fairly noticeable burr on the rim of the case, which seems to be separate from the extractor mark (for reference, the burr is below the second “M” and the space in “9mm LUGER” while the extractor mark seems to be at the edge of the leg in the “R,” although admittedly I’m not a tool mark examiner. Also, interestingly enough, the case that malfunctioned came from a box of Super-X with brass cases, while the other three boxes that I shot tonight had nickel-plated cases. I had 2 BTF with the nickel cases (one SHO I believe, one two-handed). I also shot several other magazines SHO, and one magazine weak-handed, and other than the BTF (IIRC), there were no issues.
Between shooting SHO, the gun being new, the gun being lubed only without cleaning, and the burr on the case that might or might not have been there before I I’m not ready to go all chicken little about this particular pistol. That being said, I expect better performance out of a new pistol, particularly when using 147 gr. ammo. I have a lot of faith in the Apex extractors, and having one available for this pistol (combined with 500-1000 trouble-free rounds) would go a long way to earning my trust. Hopefully Randy Lee and crew will respond quickly.
I will update this forum if/when I hear back from the mad scientist geniuses from the PRK.
I talked to the nice people at Apex today, and they told me that the issues with the Apex extractor in the G26 are cosmetic, not performance related–specifically the extractor sticks out of the slide a little bit. They said that it wasn’t enough that it would affect fit in holsters. I went ahead and ordered a Gen. 4 extractor for my G26 and will see how the gun does then. If that doesn’t fix the issue, they said they have a small number of extractors on hand that the could fit, but it would require slide modification.
Sucks your pistol is giving you BTF with 147gr, mine has ran like a charm with anything outside weak 115gr. I tried Thr Apex and it made BTF worse in the G26 Gen4, it also didn’t pass the 1911 extractor test. The Apex in my G19 Gen4 fixed the issue and did pass 1911 extractor test. YMMV but I’m pretty sure the difference with the G26 is more than cosmetic.
I’m just going off what Apex told me directly when I called them today. I’ll report on the new extractor once it comes and see how it does.
Definitely the first time I have heard this and reason for me to be concerned. I installed a Apex FRE for the Gen 4 in my Gen 4 G26 more than a year ago and have fired hundreds of rounds through it with no problem. I carry this gun frequently so if there is a problem with the design, I need to worry.
Which extractor do you have OP? 336 or 30274?
I’m pretty sure those are ejectors not extractors
Yes I know. I am just wondering if these guys have tried ejectors. I assume they have since this is what cured my Gen4 26 and 17 back in 2011. I just want to make sure that’s ruled out.
My Gen 4 G26 wasn’t throwing brass to my face.
It was hardly “throwing” brass at all! :mad:
Brass was literally rolling off the back of my hand when shooting most target ammo.
I installed the Lone Wolf extractor for $16 and have been a happy camper ever since.