Updated ejector fixed my BTF issue. Its $8.00 from Midway. Worth a try in my opinion.
I got a good deal on a lightly used Gen3, and suspected it was going to hit me in the face, took it to the range and it does.
I have already ordered/received/installed the Apex FRE kit, and have the new 30274 ejector on the way. The ejector was so cheap, after searching around and finally finding it in stock @ Midway, I grabbed one the day after ordering the FRE (Apex advises replacing the ejector on their order site for the FRE as well) and it should be in the mail at work in a Tuesday.
I figure the APEX FRE kit is a good bet regardless if it is the cause or not. I am going to try to hit the range before and after installing the updated ejector, to see if my issue was the extractor, or the ejector, will report back (my 19 had a 12/2012 test fire case as well).
I recently picked up lightly used Gen 3 G19 and no BTF so far. Its a 2010 manufacture. Only 122 rds fired by me. I have no idea how many rds were fired by the previous owner. Hopefully its GTG.
I bought a gen 3 g19 and it hit me in the head with brass and malf’d.
I bought all 3 parts Apex recommends - their extractor, the spring load bearing, and the ejector, and the gun works perfectly.
Don’t try half a fix.
Von
Nice first post. Welcome.
What my post was supposed to say is that I have installed the 30274 and the new RSA in conjunction with the Apex FRE but haven’t shot it yet…sorry
I briefly had a 3rd gen FDE 19 that tossed brass everywhere and just didn’t seem to cycle quite right. The Apex extractor didn’t fix it at all so I sold the gun and kept the extractor in case one of my two known good running 19s ever needs an extractor.
On another note, I’m done with Glock over all this nonsense.
We’re going on FIVE YEARS with this shit and Glock is no closer to fixing it than they ever were.
Screw 'em.
Copy that, but what else you going to? M&P with extraction issues (first APEX FRE) and accuracy issues (available Stormlake fitted barrel from G&R or vaporware/unobtanium Bar-Sto from Apex)? Little more expensive than a $60 extractor, ejector, and non-LCI bearing (if it works) or go with a ‘twice the price’ H&K or a PPQ with the “I didn’t want that version” mag release and zero parts/magazine availablity?
I finally went with buying adequate magazines and parts for the guns that I had that worked and giving up on new purchases…eventually they will make guns so shitty they won’t even be tempting at all so it won’t be an issue…getting more and more like that the longer I live. As an example, some of the S&W revolver parts I recently had to go with are now MIM, but when I was younger and candy was free and ponies could talk was real steel…no longer an option…of course, it is just as good 
My vote would be Apex FRE + 30274 ejector.
I have 2x Gen 3 G17s that both beaned me in the face since day 1, regardless of ammo. The first G17 went back to the factory twice with no fix to be found. I didn’t even bother sending in the second one, as I knew Glock wouldn’t be able to do crap for me.
I put a 30274 ejector in both, and the BTF was fixed for a bit, but it resurfaced after a few hundred/thousand more rounds. The new extractors Glock has been putting in their guns are nothing short of absolute crap and wear down too fast (or something).
After that, I put an Apex FRE in both, and the problem has been gone since. I have full faith in the Apex parts to cure 95% of Gen 3 BTF issues.
The other 5%? Well, Glock’s quality isn’t like it used to be. :sad:
ETA: the 9mm market is really a load of turds right now. Glocks have extraction problems that the company refuses to recognize/fix. M&Ps have the untraceable accuracy problem. PPQs have very little parts support or aftermarket alternatives, not to mention I find their grip absolutely horrid for my big hands. HK is twice the price of everything else, and I don’t like hammer-fired guns. That just leaves the FN FNS series of handguns, which I actually like a lot, but I think they suffer from the same parts/availability problems as the PPQ. It feels so hopeless.
I pretty much went through what you described in your first paragraph… Had both a inaccurate M&P, and a G19 that threw brass into my face,(once it threw a piece of brass up into the air and it landed between my glasses and forehead, ended up in the corner of my left eye)I’ll say this, you do pay more for a HK, But what you’re paying for is, them knowing what the hell they’re doing…You never hear of a inaccurate HK, or one that throws brass in your face… They’ve managed to maintain a quality standard… I’m willing to pay for a pistol that works out of the box… Now, before anyone gets fired up, I’m not bashing Glock or S&W, I had examples of both, liked both, and both were dissapointments…I’ve pretty much crossed off M&P anything for future purchases,(on a growing list) Glock? only if it’s a older one, 9mm, (pre '09) and then only if I could shoot it first…
File down the casting marks on the extractor. Its free, and might help.
Try to fix it yourself, keep in mind Glock doesn’t have any “gunsmiths” who will go over your G19 with a fine-tooth comb.
They will play the parts replacement game (just like you) until they hopefully get the kinks worked out.
If you can’t get it worked out, then send it to Glock with the original parts installed and hopefully it will run when it gets back.
The extractor did not matter in my Gen 3 17. It was sent back to Glock and they said it was fine. The ejector was angled just slightly off that it was almost hitting the primer (!). Robb J. replaced my ejector with a Gen 4 and no more brass to the face.
That said, this one shows more erratic ejection patterns than a pistol should.
For anyone with this problem I would try the Gen 4 ejector first.
Hell, I have a couple of Beretta M9s that run fine. Always have and I can run a DA/SA just as well as a striker, so I’m not handicapped by having to use a plastic gun or a 1911.
I would recommend trying the 30274 ejector first, as others have suggested. There are a couple of reasons for this. First, it is the most economical solution. There are many reports that the new ejector profile has helped move the ejection pattern away from the face. The second reason is that it eliminates the down time of having to ship the gun and wait for its return (as well as the shipping costs).
In researching the problem, there are so many variables that affect the extraction/ejection process that a one part cure seems improbable at this point in time. While our extractors do help in many cases, there are some guns that have tolerances that are on the edge. In these cases our parts clearly do not help. So rather than pitch my snake oil as a magic cure I would rather point at the least costly options first. I really do not want to sell a part if it is not warranted, and doesn’t fix the problem.
-Randy
In my Gen 3 G17 I first installed the 30274 ejector and that helped a bit. I ordered the Apex Gen3 Extractor and installed it and now all is fine. So in my case it was a combination of parts that worked. I have a Gen4 G19 coming to me any day now and hopefully I have no BTF issues with it. Crossing my fingers.
I’ve currently got 4 19’s. The 2 3rd gen guns, 1 an RTF, have never gave me any issues. Both of the Gen 4 guns bought in 2012 were problematic. I am a Glock armorer and called them. They sent out 2 of the ejectors and 2 new recoil sring assemblies. Now one works most the time, about 1 BTF per mag and the other still sucks. I have an Apex extractor and am going to try it and see. I bought the Gen 4’s for my daughter and wife so I need to get them running correctly.
I doubt anyone around here thinks your stuff is snake oil.
Hell you’ve done more to work on Glock’s problems than they have. At a complete risk to your business financially and reputation-wise.
Depends on who does it. My guns didn’t need it. (Though they’ll get the treatment anyway one day.) But a friend of mine sent his gun to Cold Bore Customs, IIRC, and they did it for around $80.
I have yet to have a need for your products. However, when the need arises you got a customer. Your reputation and your comments are what customer service is all about. Kudos to Apex…