Global warming/new administration's response/the facts/pandering

General General Discussion
1

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081214/D952LKP00.html

“The time for delay is over; the time for denial is over,” he said on Tuesday after meeting with former Vice President Al Gore, who won a Nobel Peace Prize for his work on global warming. “We all believe what the scientists have been telling us for years now that this is a matter of urgency and national security and it has to be dealt with in a serious way.”

LMFAO!!! REALLY??? What a crock of shit.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=2158072e-802a-23ad-45f0-274616db87e6

650 scientist vs 52.

[b]“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”

Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.

“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.

“The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico

“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.

“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri’s asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it’s hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society’s Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.

“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.

“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.

“Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.

“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.

“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.

“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata. # # [/b]

2

The facts? The earth(and for that matter almost every planet in the solar system) has warmed roughly 7/10 of a degree over the past 130 years. Everything beyond that is conjecture and fearmongering.

I strongly recommend Michael Crichton’s “State of Fear.” It involves far too many facts to be a part of the “climate change” debate though.

3

Green is the new Red.

4

Not much in the news “strikes” me but these 2 articles hit me like a buick. What else do they need besides 650 men with amazing credentials, IN THE FIELD, say, IT’S ALL BULL SHIT!!! But nope, Gore says it real, and he invented the internet so… :rolleyes:

5

I need more ammo!! :smiley:

                                              dOg
6

Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize, not the Noble Prize for physics or chemistry, though I am surprised that they didn’t start a Noble Meteorology Prize just for him.

7

Hahahaaa!!! The Gore Space Cadet Prize!!

            dog
8

More like a Nobel Slide Show Prize. What a travesty.

9

+1 I no longer have respect for the NPP.

Buckaroo

10

The thing is, and it was alluded to in that article, is that these scientists that have promoted global warming so much have backed themselves into a corner that they cannot get out from.

They can’t just say ‘well we fucked up and the models were not accurate’ without ruining their careers. The NPP to Gore sealed it.

I wonder how many are acutely aware of how wrong they are yet go forth because they have no other choice.

11

I know one of the 600 guys who signed Gore’s letter or whatever. In his more narcasistic moments he says the he won the Nobel Prize.

12

While I do believe we should be good caretakers of our home, there is certainly no reason to panic. I say we build a shit load of nuclear power plants, clean & efficient. While they are being built we can figure out what to do with the waste. I think I’ll go outside and let my full size SUV Idle for an hour for no reason now.

Killing the Earth one SUV at a time!!!

13

Had to re-open this 2008 thread. Yet again another article on how the ‘left’ manipulated global warming data.

The Mail on Sunday today reveals astonishing evidence that the organisation that is the world’s leading source of climate data rushed to publish a landmark paper that exaggerated global warming and was timed to influence the historic Paris Agreement on climate change.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html

14

Mentioning that these studies have been biased and have for years been manipulated to generate more funding for more pockets only infuriates the Left.
They hate it when their greed is captured and rubbed back in their faces.

15

Let’s say global warming exists. I plan to be dead in 30 years or so if I play my cards right. Why should I care about people in 2099? They probably will suck anyways.

16

Funny, I was thinking of starting a thread on ‘global’ dangers in order of ability to whack us a likelyhood in the next 100 years:

  1. Impact (Really just trade-off between size and time, we’ve had four “what the hell was that” come out of the black this year)
  2. AI. That crap is getting scary.
  3. Pop implosion. We are already at the inflection point and we end up like Japan, where we might need the AI robots to wipe our asses. China isn’t far behind on its own inverted population pyramid. Children of Men is a bit much, but without population growth driving economic growth, you end up the negative growth rates and economies as we know it don’t function.
  4. Superbug. Won’t be TEOTWAWKI, but Bird Flu killing hundreds of millions.
  5. Good old Global thermo nuclear war. Hopefully no one wants to play that game.
  6. Good old Communism/Socialism- China, Russia and Africa show that people starve not so much because of the enviroment, but because of failed economic systems and using food as a weapon).
  7. Global Climate change (natural and driven)
  8. Jihadi Terrorism (Outside nukes, really hard to make a dent before we Bondo them over)
  9. Alien invasion (Hoping for hot, slutty Ceylons first)
  10. Yellowstone or other super volcanos. (More just a timing issue, it will get us eventually)
  11. Actual biblical, olde-timey apocalypse. No ever expects an actual apocalypse, it’s not like we don’t deserve one.
17

Another link:

https://science.house.gov/news/press-releases/former-noaa-scientist-confirms-colleagues-manipulated-climate-records

18

Science sometimes gets co-opted by hysterical eco-weenies and other leftists for political reasons. I remember back in the 70’s we were doomed because we were over populating and we were going to run out of all the really important raw materials. When I hear “global warming” or “climate change” I immediately think…big fat HOAX!

19

Global warming exists. There have been cycles of glacial and interglacial periods millions of years before man. But here are some thing to consider.

The two primary greenhouse gases are water vapor (which increases and decreases with rain and evaporation back into the atmosphere) and CO2. CO2 is not the product of evil corporations, but of life. Everything that breathes in oxygen and exhales CO2 contributes the second largest greenhouse gas.

So anyone worried about their carbon footprint should stop breathing. Before mammals, and after million so years of stromatolites taking in carbon and giving up oxygen our atmosphere was so oxygen rich people scientists still wonder if lightning caused fires in the sky.

Another thing to consider, we are a bit overdue for the next ice age. Back in 1977 all the “climate experts” were predicting that it would be here by the time we were adults. Perhaps our global warming is buying us some time.

But sooner or later, because no matter what we wish or attempt as a species, Earth cycles will happen and one day we will long for a little warming when the northern ice sheet extends all the way to Montana.

We probably influence things to some degree, but even if everyone started driving battery powered cars. Even if we stopped burning fossil fuels globally, Earth cycles will be Earth cycles regardless of what we do.

But again, the biggest contributor to global warming is us, and the fact that we have breed so prodigiously, and that we have domesticated food sources in such large numbers, all exhaling greenhouse gases.

No photosynthesis keeps massive CO2 levels in check by recycling them into O2, but we also have a bad habit of engaging in massive deforestation. That is where we are truly at risk.

20

From 1977 to 2006.