http://thehill.com/regulation/243520-administration-preps-new-gun-regulations#
Aside from these issues, some gun rights advocates have also raised concerns about upcoming ATF rules that would require gun dealers to report gun thefts, provide gun storage and safety devices, and place restrictions on high-powered pistols, among other things.
This part was buried at the bottom. No description of what the rules might be.
God I hate F-troop.
Dealers are ALREADY required to report gun thefts and provide trigger locks (safety devices) so those two issues right there are nothing but diversion and distraction. The only things NEW will be regarding high powered pistols.
Probably looking at the M855 ban as a done deal since 75% of the NRA membership thinks “they won” a few months back. Possibly looking at some kind of reclass for AR, AK pistols and the like.
Their regulatory authority really needs go away…
Too late, when they were brought in under the DOJ that was the end of the game.
Better be a grandfather clause 'cause I ain’t turning shit in or changing it. Yeah, it’s an open internet forum but I don’t give a damn.
http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAgendaViewRule?pubId=201504&RIN=1140-AA23
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2005-04-07/pdf/05-6932.pdf#page=1
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DOJ/ATF RIN: 1140-AA23 Publication ID: Spring 2015
Title: Machine Guns, Destructive Devices, and Certain Other Firearms–Amended Definition of “Pistol”
Abstract:
This rule would propose to amend the regulations relating to machine guns, destructive devices, and certain other firearms regulated under the National Firearms Act (NFA) for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) to clarify the definition of the term “pistol” and to define more clearly exceptions to the “pistol” definition.
Agency: Department of Justice(DOJ) Priority: Other Significant
RIN Status: Previously published in the Unified Agenda Agenda Stage of Rulemaking: Proposed Rule Stage
Major: No Unfunded Mandates: No
CFR Citation: 27 CFR 479
Legal Authority: 26 U.S.C. 7805
Legal Deadline: None
Timetable:
Action Date FR Cite
NPRM 04/07/2005 70 FR 17624
NPRM Comment Period End 05/09/2005
NPRM 01/00/2016
Regulatory Flexibility Analysis Required: No Government Levels Affected: None
Small Entities Affected: No Federalism: No
Included in the Regulatory Plan: No
RIN Data Printed in the FR: No
Agency Contact:
Brenda R. Friend
Attorney
Department of Justice
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives
99 New York Ave. NE.,
Washington, DC 20226
Phone:202 648-7070
Omitted from the proposed regulation is the language: ‘‘any gun altered or converted to resemble a pistol.’’ This language mirrors the statutory provisions in 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(2) and (4) that refer to weapons made from a shotgun or rifle. The NFA adequately reflects the Department’s consistent position that a rifle or shotgun, altered to function as a smaller, pistol-like weapon, maintains its classification as a rifle or shotgun and will not be classified as a pistol.
…If a firearm previously classified as a pistol is found to be an ‘‘any other weapon’’ pursuant to the proposed definition, manufacturers, current owners, and those persons who wish to purchase such a weapon would be subject to the restrictions and regulations imposed by the NFA, including background checks, registration and making/transfer tax.
If My legal-fu is intact, they are basically stating that if someone were to attempt to convert an existing rifle or shotgun into a pistol configuration, you’d have to SBR it.
Since an AR/AK Pistol / Mossberg “Riot Shotgun” are sold as receiver/other or as pistols, as long as these items were not configured into a rifle and subsequently converted into a pistol configuration, the owner would not need to apply for a stamp, etc.
That being said, it would appear that with the stroke of a pen, they could turn a lot of folks into overnight felons.
Sounds like it’s time to call up the Congresscreatures and bitch/moan/threaten their jobs come next election cycle.
This freedom shit is a lot of work. Death by 1000 cuts.
It appears the jist of what they are wanting, RE pistols is as follows:
Accordingly, the proposed definition of ‘‘pistol’’ in section 479.11 would read as follows:
(a) A weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having—
(1) A chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and
(2) A short fixed stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s).
(b) The term shall not include any weapon disguised to look like an item other than a firearm, such as a pengun, wallet gun, belt buckle gun, pager gun or gadget device, or any gun that fires more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.
Middle finger? Sounds like the whole fist.
Is the above quoted text about changing rifle caliber pistols to NFA items? What is a rifle caliber- 22lr?
Maybe we’ll get a redefine and explanation of shoulder anatomy.
In the end people will still buy build short uppers…and scuttle them away.
I am fortunate enough to have a home range and don’t shoot with ATF agents, FBI, or other unsavory (to firearms) elements. I’m not going to lose sleep over it as I currently have nothing illegal and really don’t cotton to making me a felon by the wave of a pen, no matter who is wielding it.
I might have to build me a pistol AR afterall.
Yep, time to start writing again. **** these clowns.
Smells like fund raising to me without specifics. Remain calm.
The true stupidity won’t come until after the 2016 election…
No such grandfather clause when a bunch of imported magazine fed shotguns were deemed “destructive devices.” You either registered them with NFA or you had an unregistered NFA weapon and all the fun consequences that come with owning an unregistered NFA weapon.
Awesome, I can finally use my shoulder thing that goes up.
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On point.
I’ll bet there are several orders of magnitude greater AR pistol owners than ever owned the shotguns you mention. Would certainly muddy the waters a bit for a “wave of the pen” felon creation.
Correct me if I’m wrong. Would this newly dreamed up definition redefine a pistol by basically stating a pistol can only have a pistol grip and no “buffer tube” or anything else that extends from the rear of the receiver?
Accordingly, the proposed definition of ‘‘pistol’’ in section 479.11 would read as follows:
(a) A weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having—
(1) A chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and
(2)A short fixed stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s).
(b) The term shall not include any weapon disguised to look like an item other than a firearm, such as a pengun, wallet gun, belt buckle gun, pager gun or gadget device, or any gun that fires more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger
I read the federal register link. What is the consternation? It is well known that you can not make a pistol out of a rifle. The firearm receiver must be transferred as “other” without ever having been a “rifle.” Disguised firearms seem to be the focus of the reclassification, where did AR pistol come into the discussion? Did I miss something?
We flood them with comments during the public comment period, run the clock out. I just hope that if we win in 2016, we push full tilt for expansion of gun rights, repeal all the bullshit and push for further expansion. This type of thing I believe will likely blow up in their communist faces.
Obama Administration Proposes Sweeping Gun Regulations
http://www.ibtimes.com/obama-administration-proposes-sweeping-gun-regulations-1945483