I do not like the attitude the mods have in closing threads, and even saying people are ‘slack jawed douche bags’. If mods need to close a thread, and do so because people are acting out line, I would like to see a more professional response.
Just a suggestion.
I understand that iron sharpens iron around here but I have to say that some of the rudeness on this site, in general, is overdone and not always necessary.
Butt Hurt?
I have no problem dishing out what is deserved but I don’t like a double standard where forum staff are closing threads with such comments, and as I said to who banned me it smacks of elistism. I have over 8000 posts on this site, and never talked to anyone like that here.
Do you think moderators should set the example? I do.
Regardless of the issues…
No good will come of this thread. 
Do you think this is a professional response?
NVM…
It will probably fall on deaf ears, but I have to agree in this instance.
We all should act like adults. Unfortunately, even the mods slip up. That doesn’t make it right however, and makes this site appear juvenile. Mod participation amplifies that effect. Close the thread. Ban people. Save the commentary.
No one person gets it right 100% of the time, especially on the Internet. Just because your screen name is red doesn’t mean you are infallible. However we have a problem on this site. It’s a small problem but left uncared for it will fester. We have a huge influx of new members. We also are facing heavy new legislation against the 2A. What it has done is divide our community. We have members who feel that LE is the strong arm jack booted thugs of the gov lining up to take your guns away. Then we have others that feel that any mention of LE in a negative light is anti LE. Those two groups then meet up in GD and all hell breaks loose.
My email is full of reported post every day from both camps and frankly it’s tiresome. It’s the same members reporting the same members then when a mod steps in we are biased an unfair. Who wins? No one.
If you don’t like how the site is run by the mods speak to staff. If you don’t like the staffs response start your own site. The Internet is a big place. There’s plenty of room.
I would be delighted if GD was nuked completely as it serves up 98% of the bullshit here. The above quote doesn’t single out any specific member as being a slack jawed douche bag. It singles out the behavior that has become the norm around here and frankly there are too many problem threads to monitor. Instead of trying to sanitize the thread we just close it and wait for the next person to shit the bed.
Bottom line we are all on the same side. We live our way of life and we feel it is severely threatened. Instead of fighting amongst ourselves how about we try to remain positive and fight the good fight. You don’t like cops that’s fine but keep that shit to yourself. M4C has always been pro LE and will continue to be so.
We use to have more SME participation here than on any other site. You see them posting less and less. Wonder why that is.
And if we do we get PMs asking us to justify closing the threads. It just saves time and I can just delete the PM. But we can do that too if you think it’ll work. Past experience says otherwise though.
Not sure who is filling your guy’s inbox but it ain’t me. As I’ve said recently I don’t take things personally here but it’s become obvious others do.
Aside from the topic of this thread are libertarian views allowed here? The message I got from my timeout was half focused towards the mod being tired of my views.
Some thoughts…
Moderating a site gets old fast, its one of the reasons you see turnover in the mods. There is no way in hell Ill ever do it again myself, and my experience was on a smaller site.
I mainly come here for good technical info coming from those who know more than me. Anything that threatens that should be stamped out with extreme prejudice in my opinion.
I used to read damn near ever post on here say a year or two ago. Now, I dont read half of them. There are far too many posts that add nothing to the site, and are basically the ramblings of retards that need to go back to arfcom.
This probably looks like im trying to put my nose up the mods asses, but I dont give a shit, id rather have the site back we had two years ago, and if that means they have to start stomping on testicles, fine by me.
I own a couple of websites/message boards and moderating them is a pain in the ass. I’ve had my peepee slapped a few times around here and didn’t like it, so I sent the moderator a message.
Calling out moderators in open forum is not a good practice. The better solution is to message the moderator in question and if you’re not happy after that then send a message to the man in charge.
Me, too.
I tried having a normal conversation and the thread got locked before my questions were answered.
Note left: Contact the manufacturer.
That line could close just about any thread here.
It would have been nice to have the question answered and the information posted so anyone searching could find the answer also.
I stumbled upon this site in December when I was looking for my first AR. It didn’t take long to realize that the knowledge here was superior to other sites I visited, but this bickering by the supposed top people on the forum does not portray that same feeling. Yes people should be respectful, but also don’t take shit personally. I’ve learned a ton in a 2+ months, have been able to communicate with professionals in the industry, and have purchased multiple products from supporting vendors like Grant from G&R tactical…I’m not sure what goal of the site is, but I’m guessing that’s it in a nutshell. Just because the site has evolved and there are a couple threads that are deemed a “waste of time” it certainly doesn’t mean the forum is getting worse. Adapt to change or start your own site. If you can’t read every single post, either find more time in your day or freakin deal with it. I don’t know how else I would learn a bunch of good info for free…and I can’t imagine a better way for vendors to make connections at low or no cost.
Fact # 1: Mods and Staff work for FREE.
Fact # 2: People are SUPER whiny and annoying.
Fact # 3: People threaten mods and staff on a weekly basis.
Fact # 4: If people acted like adults and learned to control themselves, there would be ZERO need for a mod or staff.
C4
I guarantee the mods’ work load would drop by 80% if GD went away.
I’d go so far as 95%.
There are other technical forums I (used to) visit unrelated to firearms. The reason I stop is the GD was so ought of hand.
And most importantly, while being a mod is a thankless job, they are not infallible. And criticism isn’t just whiny complaining. I strongly feel that the quality of moderation has a direct impact on how a site is perceived. 1 mod or a single out of hand mod comment can ruin thousands of hours of positive work. Feedback is a valuable tool.
At the very least, go back and change voodoochild’s comment to something like “You were warned and have been unable to continue in a manner reflecting the site’s Code of Conduct. Thread is locked and discipline issued”
We shouldn’t do it that way, and I am guilty of doing it too. That being said, no one except the mods and staff see the build up to the locks, bans, infractions, etc.
Usually, while two or more members are battling it out, we are discussing it. “Let it ride”, “Lock it down”…“warn them both”, “warn them all”…We cover the spectrum, so when the fan is finally hit, usually we’ve been letting it roll HOPING some adult discussion will seize the day.
Instead, it invariably goes downhill, and quickly. We get a snap reaction. The truly professional thing to do would have been to lock the thread upon the very first transgression of the rules, warn the adult males to stop breaking our rules, and move along. That professional response is met with threads talking about heavy-handed moderation, assholes closing threads when we are just talking, etc.
I have a novel idea for everyone:
Start being the moderator of any thread you are participating within. Moderate yourself. Adhere to our rules to the letter. Don’t push the envelope. Instruct others about the content of our rules, and how the content in the thread may be running counter to those. Use the report button, and extricate yourself from the thread, if necessary.
Negative; that is not what was told to you. You were told that you’re attitude was getting old and that you dont call out a mod that had just issued a “calm down or the thread will be locked” warning to everyone in the thread.
Your political beliefs have nothing to do with why you were issued an infraction that resulted in you being banned for several days. It was the bickering/unrespectful nature of your posts and the mod callouts (2x) that dropped you in timeout. So you can drop the “I’m the persecuted libertarian” shtick
A single person has not been singled out in any moderator action taken in recent past that I’m aware of. If you violate the rules, you get an infraction. There are around 10 people that will testify to this since I’ve hit that many with infractions since the 9th alone.