From the reddit comment, assuming it’s a legit GA account, it just affirms that it’ll be limited to LE, which seemed like a solid bet from the get go, based on the naming convention and rumored pricing. Tough to say whether it’ll be offered as IOP, a la blue label, or strictly to agencies.
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I don’t feel this way. I applaud them for offering a quality affordable package to LE etc. There are so many affordable options for the consumer at this point, not having access to this is not a big deal imo. We are spoiled currently. Perhaps it’s a bandwidth thing? They can’t produce them in sufficient enough numbers for the retail market?
I agree. There’s no reason this doesn’t look good for Geissele. I can’t believe people would get up in arms because an excellent parts manufacturer ventures into the full rifle market with something (even initially) only available to the people who are more likely to actually use them in a life-or-death situation. Please.
Pretty sure the reason it’s limited to LEO is this is testing a proof on concept, and production capabilities…limiting this to LEO agencies allows Geissele to meet a relatively small demand, and test their production capabilities while breaking into the complete AR market. This allows them to not expose themselves to the incredible demand should it be offered to the general public, thus inevitably letting down customers with delays, or potential problems and lowing their extremely hard earned reputation.
I’m not LEO so I’m not just saying that cause I’m gonna score one through an agency or something.
If this works, I imagine I’ll be getting the Geissele uber rifle I’ve been wanting, along with many others on this forum. I’d rather wait for that Geissele rifle anyways.
Good on geissele sounds like a nice rifle
But that article read like it was written by someone who is not a native English speaker
Kinda strange
I said these things. My thoughts are that they cannot meet the demand of the market, that’s why they limit it’s sale. My point is that when you are a company that has the support of thousands of private firearm owners, you should at least recognize that, and offer up a timeline. Every company has teething issues when they grow, this is a good workaround for them I think. People were upset when other companies did the same thing that geissele is doing with this rifle, that’s all I’m saying.
I own lots of geissele and alg products, and will continue to buy them. I hope some day these will be available to regular guys. This would be an amazing rifle for buyers who would otherwise buy incorrectly built and low quality rifles at a similar price.
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I agree about remembering people complaining about LEO exclusive rifles, handguns. Things like only making TAP T2 widely available for LEO is something that still burns me.
If Geissele was not so well regarded as an incredibly civilian friendly company, I think this would go differently for them. I think they now have a good grasp on just how crazy demand is for their kit, especially after the big sales they’ve had that crashed servers in minutes.
I also agree this is an excellent entry market level rifle, and could give the 6920 a run for it’s money potentially…but do they have Colt’s production capability. I imagine this is a problem that every company would love to deal with. Bill now has to be a master engineer, and master businessman.
Excellent marketing strategy. Initially available to LE only = tons of demand for non LE which is where most firearm manufacturers make their money.
Agreed, Geissele has been a huge supporter of the civilian market. I will eventually have hands on this rifle, as a number of my clients are LEO. That said Geissele could have said that this rifle at this price is for LEO only but in the future we will be offering civilian versions at adjusted price points. Instead they brilliantly created demand in a community that will pay out the nose for this as it is restricted. Good move, they have done this with the urgi, and the mk4federal rail.
I’m not upset that its not immediately available to us regular guys. I was just reminding everybody that when other companies, that are no so favored in our small community, did the same they were blasted for it.
This will be probably the only rifle to pull me away from my KAC’s. Not forever, but at least long enough to buy one. I’m sure it will be a very solid gun at what looks like a fantastic price point. We’ll see, but I’m optimistic. As if the Geiselle booth isn’t crazy enough at SHOT Show, this year it’ll be worse!!
Looking forward to this one.
I would love to see some two mile run times, the last competition standings, and the nod setups of everyone too high speed for ALG hardware.
Two mile runs are for pussies. Just say’n.
According to the article, the carrier is nano-coated but the bolt itself is only phosphate. Why wouldn’t the bolt also be nano-coated? Makes no sense.
Running breeds cowardice. Just saying.
Lolz
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I agree, probably a typo. Geissele does stuff right so I doubt they would nano coat one and not the other.
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Here is the 750 USD LE only version: https://geissele.com/super-duty-le-16-black.html
Here is the civilian side of things, with the customization: https://geissele.com/rifles/super-duty-rifles.html
Interesting.
+$200 for a chf barrel. +$125 or $250 to add NANO to the bcg. Quite a premium, IMO. More than I expected at least. I didn’t expect a Geissele rifle to be cheap.
That is a really high premium for CHF. I’m also surprised Bill didn’t mention the Nanocoating in this video. He talked it up last year but it’s been very quiet ever since, unless I just missed it.
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The up-charges DO make it seem like an expensive proposition; through until we know the base price, it’s hard to say for sure. Using the LE rifle ($750) as an example, let’s say Geissele is throwing the coppers a $100-$150 bone, so the non-LE model starts around $900. If you add a CHF barrel, A2, ACH, nano BCG, SMR rail, premium LPK, SSA and basic grip, sights and buffer; you’re at $1835. It’s certainly going to play in the “premium” AR space, it’ll be interesting to see how the market responds, not to mention see how the actual street pricing shakes out.
I will say, the SD LE rifle appears to be a heck of a deal. I’m looking forward to them getting into the wild. It’s hard to see a scenario in which I don’t end up with one.
The premium stuff is niche market and not intended to compete with PSA or similar market. Different market, different customer base, and probably more lucrative.