Geiselle doesn’t make a straight up single stage trigger, right? If not, why not? Wouldn’t a nice crisp single stage Geiselle at, say, 5 lbs with a straight trigger be a nice set-up for a carbine? And, yeah, yeah, I already know the stock trigger is good enough and all you need to do is run a couple thousand rounds to get it where you want. But, taking out the preceding argument, what say you guys about a single stage trigger from Geiselle?
ETA: Seems that the SD-C does what I’m describing above albeit in a two-stage trigger format. But, I’m still wondering if the single stage only trigger could be done at a cheaper price point?
Wilson makes a variant of ther TTU that is SS and pulls around 5.0 - 5.5. You just have to decide which is more important, the trigger’s characterististics or whether or not there’s a “G” on the trigger bow.
My experience with the SSA has been exactly the opposite. I can’t forget that it’s there because when trying to run the gun fast it constantly reminds me that it is there in the form of bobbles where my finger has evidently not moved back far enough forward to reset the second stage (or first stage, whatever).
I believe the NGA I had included a S3G trigger and I found that much easier to run fast, although not really any faster than the stock parts either.
Not necessarily… I have some pretty good GI triggers that are quite acceptable. On the other hand I have some horribly heavy creepers too.
That said… I only have one gun with a homo trigger in it… and that trigger was given to me. The Geissele’s are awesome. I’ve installed a bunch of them… but the real need isn’t there for me.
As others have stated, the Super 3-Gun trigger is basically a single stage. The pull is very much like a single stage. There is no detectable stop between the first and second stage. Press the trigger slightly back and the weapon will discharge, and the reset is very short. It feels like what a stock trigger should be.
I much prefer the SSA-E over the SSA. With the standard SSA, after firing the reset is much longer. You fire the weapon, and let the trigger travel forward until it resets. The trigger has to move past the reset point, slightly more forward, to be able to engage the first stage again. I wasn’t a huge fan of this.
With the SSA-E, as soon as the trigger clicks into rest, you are set to pull back again. Being about a pound lighter in pull, on the second stage, you can pull right through it on fast shots w/o feeling as you are slapping the trigger. When trying to run the SSA fast, it always felt that I was slapping it.
I like having a two stage on any type of precision and/or Recce type rifle. Bascially anything I would put a scope on. Another poster commented that pulling through the first stage and pausing at the second really allows you to steady and concentrate on your fundementals.
Aftermarket triggers aren’t going to make a bad shooter good. They will make a good shooter who has a firm grasp of his/her fundementals better.
I could be wrong - often am - but just from reading the description on the S3G trigger, it seems that it is most like a very short stroke/reset double-action pistol or revolver trigger. without any staging, stacking, or grit…
since nobody who owns one has yet made this type of association, I’m wondering if it’s accurate but I’ve got no other way to picture it in my mind based off the description.
I’ve owned a S3G and have a DAO pistol. I don’t think the two are close.
With the S3G, the second stage is just very fine. It looks just like any other two stage and functions the same, but the stop at the end of the first stage isn’t there. When you pull the trigger, you pull straight through the second stage.
eh, you have the experience so I’m not going to argue. but GA’s description, and others who have this trigger, have said there is no second stage. they say only that it takes a certain amount of force for the trigger to begin movement and then it continues back at that weight, with no stacking or change in weight, until it breaks.
this sounds to me, regardless of the length of pull or reset, like a double action, or maybe more accurately, like a “striker fired” action trigger a’ la glock…
I don’t think there is a very large market for high-end single stage AR triggers. Before I became a member of this forum I had never heard of anyone actually wanting one.
I put in a SD-E and ran it through 2 classes and a few “Military Rifle” shoots at my one club. When run quickly the second stage is completely undetectable. You have to “sneak up” on the second stage to feel it. It feels very close to a crisp 3.5 lb 1911 trigger… more so than the S3G IMHO. At least my 1911’s.
The first time I ran it I even came in a very close second (out of 18) in the “Modified Navy Qualifier” they ended the class with. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv5epCk5KRY
I was shooting a bit faster than the demo but there were guys 2x as fast with SSA’s and SSA-E’s.
The SD-E is the best of both worlds. It feels like a single stage when run fast but you still have a 2nd stage for precision shots.
I demoed an S3G and preferred the SD-E. If your used to creepy 6-8 pound “out of the box” service grade triggers I would not recommend the S3G; it will feel VERY lite. And if your other guns have service grade triggers it may be difficult to go back and forth.
yeah, maybe so. I’ve not shot it, I was just trying to understand what it was like from the descriptions I’ve read. having experience on the trigger itself is better than reading descriptions. thanks for the reply…
the only time I used an aftermarket trigger is for competition. I used a “tuned” RRA trigger and it was night and day for getting consistent accurate slow-fire hits at distance. for a defensive rifle, I think a good example of a service grade trigger is better than most people are shooting with now…
I believe the SD3G three gun trigger is basically a single stage trigger,…
They feel nothing like a (even lightened) single or even a double stage to me. It’s in it’s own class and geared for competition, as the name implies. I personally like to feel some resistance before the gun goes, bang (be it single or double stage) - it’s not there with the 3G trigger.