I know nothing about CCW of a handgun since I live in a state which does not think I have the right to protect myself. But I just got a G19 for my GF to use when we go to the range since she finds my Beretta 90-Two to big/heavy and having too much recoil with a then .40 round.
I sent away all my paperwork for the Florida CCW permit so that I can carry when I visit my friends in the normal parts of the country, ie PA, NC, SC and so on. I go to NC at least 2 times a year to visit my best friends who moves away fron NJ… Lucky guys.
Anyway, I am looking to get a IWB holster but the fact that the G19 does not have a safety that I am more comfortable with like the one on my Beretta kinda scares me. I don’t want to pull a Plaxico Burress and shoot my nuts off… I am kinda partial to them. I know there is that integrated safety on the trigger, but I wanted to get the oppinions of those who know.
I see a lot on here carry G17/19 just wanted to see what you think of the issue.
Well for starters, Plaxico Burress wasn’t using a holster. If he was wearing a belt and a holster, the likelihood of that incident occurring drops by orders of magnitude IMO.
Use a good kydex and/or leather holster and be careful when holstering. Treat the weapon as if it is loaded and you should be fine.
I wasn’t reffring to Plexico’s use of a holster… just saying I did not want to shoot myself lol.
The G19 is a better choise to carry than my 90-two which is MUCH larger… but mechanical safety issue made me thing of the football player with a bullet wound in his thigh lol.
Understood…point is though, if you are using a holster that securely holds the firearm and covers the trigger guard, the lack of a manual safety is a relative non-issue if you ask me. When my 19 is in my Comp-tac MTAC, I don’t see any way that the gun can fire; safety or no safety.
I would rather have a no safety glock or any DA/SA pistol over the Beretta slide mounted safety.
First, it can be very difficult to switch off with your thumb when drawing from a holster. I carried an issue 92 on fire for this reason.
Second, and more important in my opinion, the Beretta safety can easily be engaged accidentally while manipulating the slide (reloads or immediate action). That can get you killed.
With a good holster and safe gun handling habits, a Glock 19 should be an acceptable choice for carry. I have carried for years, mostly with guns that have no external safety.
I would say get a cheap holster for now and just wear it around the house. Get used to it. Heck even use an airsoft gun to get the feel for it. Draw and re holster see if you hit the trigger.
Then step up to a real gun and holster. Stay unloaded for a while till your used to it. Before long it will be 2nd nature and you and your boys will be happy.
Or one of these two holsters by Dale Fricke (all kydex)
Both Crossbreed and Dale Fricke make great holsters for conceal carry. I personally have holsters from both of them, and I will say you cannot go wrong with either.
The Crossbreed has some cant to it. The Dale Fricke holsters have none. It’s just a personal preference on how you wish to carry and draw your handgun, and it doesn’t matter otherwise.
The objective reality is that it is easier to shoot yourself with a striker-fired handgun that has a ~ 5.5 pound trigger and no manual safety than it is to shoot yourself with a hammer-fired handgun that has a manual safety and a 14 pound trigger.
…but there are lots of people who manage to avoid shooting themselves with the former and plenty of people who have managed to shoot themselves with the latter.
Be aware that when you’re using something like a Glock you have a bit less room for error in handling the weapon than you do with some other weapons, train appropriately to instill good handling habits, avoid holstering with any dangly stuff on that can get in the trigger guard, and drive on.
Unfortunately that’s not true. You can have a great holster and still shoot yourself because of a drawstring on your jacket or because you just had your finger on the trigger. A good holster will cover the trigger and will not allow something like say a thumbsnap to work inside of the trigger guard of the weapon…but that’s about it. Preventing accidents is going to be largely your responsibility regardless of the quality of your equipment. Some options make it harder…some make it easier.
Been carrying a 19 IWB for years now and still have both nuts. Biggest worry would probably be shirt, zipper pulls, drawstrings, etc. getting caught in the trigger guard. Just practice and you should be fine (the airsoft gun is a really good idea).
As others have stated, lack of manual safety does require you to be more “tuned in” especially when re-holstering the gun, making sure there is no clothing / obstructions in the way. I would also suggest picking up a SW 642/442 if possible. It is reliable and makes a great pocket gun if it turns out that IWB is not for you.
I had a 92 and sold it. Because of that slide mounted decocker. IMHO there is no worse place to place a safety/decocker than on the slide. In addition, I believe Beretta recommends carrying the 92 with the decocker in the fire position. That’s how I carried mine for about 10 years anyway. Get a good holster and keep that finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire. Do that and you will be fine.
I agree practice with airsoft/wearing around the house will get you used tothings but would go for a good holster right off the bat. I too carried my beretta safe off when deployed for the same reasons mentioned. The biggest difference between the glock and beretta is the much heavier and longer trigger stroke on the beretta. FYI if you train to grasp the front of the slide and adjust technique you can avoid issues with the beretta decokcer/safety-which goes from fire to safe a bit too easy for my tastes. I have seen many occurences (thankfully only on the training range) where soldiers grasped slide to do a reload and did not realize they put the safety on-then they can’t figure out why the pistol won’t fire.
Learn how to handle and CC your weapon in a ready to fire, no thumb-safety state.
Israeli Carry/Condition 3, no round in the chamber, and get really good with fast draw/rack procedure.
If neither of those choices satisfy you and you’re still looking for a striker-fired polymer framed gun, look into the M&P which has a thumb-safety option.
You have nothing to worry about as long as you practice proper gun safety. Glocks are probably the most carried sidearm in the US, if not the world, and you don’t exactly hear lots of reports of people having ND’s with them more than other guns.
Respectfully, there are an awful lot of NDs with Glocks out there. Sure, every gun has it’s pros and cons (a DA Beretta is pretty damn safe, until you forget to decock, etc). I love 'em, but you’ve got to be pretty dialed in between the ears with a gun with a short 5.5#trigger, and no safety. The gun is fantastic, I carry it, but it is not forgiving of any mistakes ever - and we not perfect. JW777nailed it.
Even the best of us can get something caught in the trigger guard while reholstering.
I have carried a Glock 19 and can tell you that if you follow the rules of gun safety, use a proper holster, and you pay attention to what you’re doing, you’re not likely to have an issue.
If you don’t follow the rules of gun safety, aren’t using a proper holster and/or won’t pay attention to what you’re doing, the only gun you should carry is the blue plastic kind.
Sparing all of us the endlessly-rehashed discussion of manual safety vs. not, Glock vs. Gun X, etc., I’ll say this: Choosing a firearm is a balance of positives and negatives in all circumstances. As long as that’s the calculus you’re using, you can choose the right gun for you. I carry a Glock 19.