When this shooting occurred, the Army called Killeen Police Dept. to respond, and if you remember, one of their female officers shot the bad guy. Can anybody explain why an Army base would call the city cops and not send in their own people.
If you’re asking why the Infantry didn’t roll in it’s because they are not armed, nor is it a quick process to arm them. Not to mention the ammo being in a separate secure facility.
I would imagine the MPs on base are only barely better.
When I go onto Port Hueneme Navy Base, the only people I see armed are the private guards at the gate, and driving around.
But what laws, or orders would a infantrymen have to follow if he was to engage an active shooter? Could they arrest, or kill, the shooter if it was off base, but still in direct threat?
If memory serves me correctly, Ft. Hood has a mixture of installation police (DOD contractors) and MP’s who patrol the garrison. Both are armed and can be found in mostly marked vehicles. Excluding the gate security, there is probably no more than 5-10 units patrolling at any given time which is nowhere near enough manpower for an active shooter. The MP’s do have a QRF that is essentially a part-time SWAT team, but unlike their civilian counterparts, their weapons are kept in an armory.
They would fall under the state laws of whichever state they were stationed in.
If I remember correctly the female officer was working as a pd contractor on post. Like previously said they have civi pd and mps as well. There are actually quite a bit of officers on post. I could never go anywhere without seeing one.
I find it funny they accuse these soldiers of malingering but it’s more like these buearacrats are malingering.
I wish Sgt. Munley and the rest of these victims the best.
It always felt earie going in the center afterwards…
Side question about the story if you don’t mind. I thought that the female leo did not take down Hasan, rather the male responding officer did. I don’t know what the final verdict was but I was under the impression that the story about the female officer taking Hasan down was kinda like the “feel good” Jessica Lynch story. Not that it is too important but anybody know if investigators got to the bottom of that?
Does anyone ever click on any link I post?
I’m going to assume that is directed towards me. If it is not, i apologize. I can’t access the link from my phone. There is a reason why other sites such as lightfighter ask for some cut and paste from the article so that readers that can’t link to it know what you’re talking about. But simply linking is easier I suppose.
Anyways, I will read the link when I am able.
I thought (could be wrong) that she shot him multiple times and he shot her a few times and her partner ended up finally taking him down.
I read it. Doesn’t surprise me one bit.
Not just you. Both posts that followed had questions. I’m sorry I was short I didn’t know you couldn’t click the link.
You’re right in that she was wounded. Sgt. Mark Todd is the one that brought him down.
No worries brother, I can see your pov. Thanks for the info. I did remember that both officers issued verbal warnings and couldn’t understand why under the circumstances anyone would have considered verbals. I guess if you’re only taught to do things one way every time, when the day comes, your brain reverts back to that rather than finding a solution that fits the problem at hand.
Researching the Ft Hood shooting, I just now learned that the responding police were DOD police–contractors as has been stated. My error in thinking that they were city police. I never should have started the thread.
The use of force programs for MP/SF/MA and civilian police specify a verbal warning is supposed to be given prior to employing deadly force. DoD Instruction 5210.56 is the overall guidance for all service branches concerning the use of force and specifies “An oral warning shall be given prior to the use of deadly force if the situation permits and does not increase the danger to DoD personnel or others.”
Now if that means you are telling the person to “halt” while lining the sights up and starting that 12 pounds of trigger pull…well, the verbal warning was given. But overall, most training programs say “give the verbal warning” and that’s probably what happened prior to dropping that turd. Training kicked in and the warning was given.
Munley was a Dept of the Army Civilian Police Officer, as was Todd who was the Officer that actually shot the shooter.
Officers have arrest powers, we carry the UCMJ rights cards on us for that reason.
Why, because for some reason Service Members aren’t trusted CONUS. An Air Force LTC SF (MP) friend of mine was the Force Protection officer at the now defunct Joint Forces CMD when this happened. He was tasked with writing a new Force Protection SOP. His first suggestion was to arm all Officers and NCOs on all installations. He was told to pound sand. So now if there is a threat we wait for Giant Voice and email to tell us to cower in our buildings, even if you are on a range with weapons and ammo, and wait for a few young MPs and/or civilian security guards to come to our rescue.
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You can’t arrest civilians though, can you?