Frontline: The Wounded Platoon

Pretty damned messed up situation but Im not surprised. Ive got my own stories of lack of care but Im not going to get into that here…

I want to know why we are sending people in combat loaded up on psychiatric drugs when its known fact they have side affects that can cause people to act irrationally and do stupid shit.

Also nice to know the mil just kicks people out who have battle wounds, are risk to others, and then denies them any future medical care. Yeah they messed up to get “kicked out” but IMO they still deserve treatment for wounds (even mental) they have. Yeah that Col is right they can’t be serving anymore but WTF? They need help one way or another, and I think they deserve more than just being shown the door. Then who’s issue do they become? The general population? Just fuck em right?

As far as the murderers go they do need to be locked up, and get some help from behind bars. I can’t believe the one guy got 52 years for attempted murder. Ive heard of much less prison time for people actually murdering people. Like 8-10 years and they are out.

Anyways heres the link: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/woundedplatoon/view/?utm_campaign=viewpage&utm_medium=grid&utm_source=grid

I also just read a book that sort of similar to this called ‘They Fought For Each Other’ by Kelly Kennedy. Much of the same with people getting denied treatment, and basically told to FO when they do seek help. Guys with TBI’s who can’t barely function getting left alone on Rear-D with no command structure, no one listening, violence upon returning, etc. Definitely a pattern to this type of shit in a variety of commands, units, home bases, etc.

Bullshit. A bunch of psychopaths, attention seeking murdering bastards. Oh, I killed my friend, but they made me do it. “They gave me AMBIEN, it made us killers”…

I know that war causes some psychological trauma, but men either deal with it, or get help to deal with it. They don’t go blowing their brains out, or murder people. IMO they had character flaws to begin with, and that is a recruiting issue.

Blame those that commit the act, not the institution in which they served.

If your unit or command won’t help, there are people that deal with lack of care.

Umm no one was blaming Ambien on the murder.

Getting help is not as easy as you make it out to be. Ive been there twice (for physical NOT mental issues), and was the worse treatment Ive ever gotten both medically, and by each respective unit. The military medical system is a joke. Front line care is good. Its once people get out of the main system they fall through the cracks, unit issues, etc.

You can’t go get help if you come back with issues, do something stupid, get kicked out, and then denied treatment. Like it or not PTSD issues can cause people to do stuff to get kicked out, and then who is going to help them?

Also doesn’t the address the issue of sending people into combat doped up on heavy psychiatric drugs that are known to cause erratic behavior, violence, suicide, etc. These drugs change the brain chemistry, and it doesn’t matter how you were before. You can blame “bad recruiting” all you want but you can take the most sane person in the world, give them drugs, and they will do a complete 180. Its hard to blame the person when they are getting handed brain altering drugs like candy, and forgotten about.

I dont even know what to say. I see both of your points and on some level’s I agree. The sad part is that this is only the begining.

people have mental problems. this is that small percent. outside the military, these are the people who end up in psychiatric institutions, prison, dead, or wandering the streets. in the military, they end up on Frontline.

Ha. Lets give you some drugs that change your brain chemistry, and see how you do.

PBS video is my TV. Ive seen most of them. The Haditha trails one is a good watch too.

“Your conduct is inconsistent with the integrity and professionalism required by a Special Forces soldier.”

http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Defensewatch_121103_Right,00.html

First, remember that Frontline is media. What you see is what they want you to see. It has a designed context, just like Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC. I am not disputing Frontline’s facts, but you have to keep things in perspective and remember that there are always eight sides to every story.

Second, medical doctors are the qualified personnel to make opinions and decisions about troops being on the “frontline” while undergoing treatment, mentally or otherwise. I am not an MD, and I suspect that no one else in this thread is either.

Third, the military medical system is NOT a joke. I have had everything from two surgeries under general anesthesia, multiple “procedures,” occupational therapy, bereavement counseling, watched a dear loved one die from leukemia at Walter Reed, to dental care. The care was awesome and the providers were genuine. And they don’t have to worry about counting band-aids and Tylenols for your bill either. They can actually focus on treatment. Yes, occasionally there is a “bad experience,” but that happens everywhere. I am currently “off the reservation” with our care and frankly, we cannot wait to get back close to post.

If anyone hasn’t seen it, I suggest watching “Baghdad ER” to see what our medical personnel go through in Theater. I cannot fathom having a job like that.

Fourth, the military and its sub-institutions are not perfect. NO institution is. But in almost every case of criticizing the military in the media, and these types of forums, the fault almost always lies at ground zero with the first-line supervisor or other command failures. It’s not usually an overall “military” problem.

Finally, the US Government and the military are responsible for taking care of our troops. Make no mistake about that. But at the same time, they cannot be everything to everybody.

And no amount of combat or PTSD should ever excuse anyone for committing heinous crimes against their fellow man. Life, and military service for that matter, is not a Halo game.

YMMV.

if you want to understand PTS more, LTC (Ret.) Dave Grossman’s book “On Killing” is recommended.

Mine in red.

+1 on your whole post…now for Walter Reed:

We have had nothing but outstanding medical help from that hospital. The troops that are currently there that we run into once a month have nothing but outstanding words about the treatment that they are getting.

My 8 year old son is still alive because of Walter Reed. He has had 18-20 spinal taps, 4 surgeries, multiple over night stays, monthly visits…he is still humbled when soldiers missing legs and arms tell him that he has a tougher fight than they do.