I tried to use the S&W M&P series, thinking if I saw enough military personnel using them, they might be worthy. But, the trigger sucks too much, and the accuracy on my MP9 is just laugh worthy.
I kept telling myself, that the side arm for a rifle backup didn’t need to be ‘accurate’, I just needed ‘MOAR bullets’, if I were ever in a situation that required a rifle. But, I just can’t stand the trigger, and the lack of being able to hit a hit target (8 inch groups at 15 yards) for a ‘hostage situation at 15 yards’ is just against what I believe in.
Forgive me for ever considering a weapon other than 1911s. Forgive me for having ‘quantity envy’
---- An elegant weapon, for a more civilized age . . .
MP9C (groups acceptably for a polymer gun)
MP45 (groups less acceptably, but still ok, could use a DCAEK trigger)
MP9 (OMG what a piece of crap, sure it will shoot, but ‘where exactly where it shoot’)
And I pick up my Kimber, (able to shoot out the orange target sticker as a group)
pick up my cared for springfield A1 (able to shoot out another orange target sticker as a group)
pick up a used springfield TRP that I’ve never actually fired before today (able to shoot out another 1 inch orange target sticker as a group)
Good for you. You have a good one. Now take the 3 different S&W weapons I have,and realize the wide variation in precision in each. I had hoped to get one as precise as yours, I did not. Now I have to deal with S&W warranty service to try to get one more precise.
Go buy 3 more yourself, and see how precise each one is.
With the right ammunition, I would think any quality firearm should group 4" at 25 yards. Try different ammunition. If that doesn’t work, ask S&W to take a look at it.
If you like plastic, there are other options. My Glock 22 will keep most shots inside the 8 ring on a B-27 silhouette target at 100 yards. The groups don’t look pretty, but it’s close enough for government work.
Certain platforms fit different people better. I wanted and HK 9mm pistol, but once I handled them, I wasn’t impressed. I have carried a 5" SA Loaded, then Sig 226 Navy, Sig 229, Glock 19, and now I’m back to a 1911 only in a Commander size now.
There must be a reason they have been around for 101 years?? Sometimes old and outdated still do better than the latest and greatest.
As to the thread title… you made a blanket statement about polymer guns when you really mean M&Ps, I take it.
I’m not seeing any definitions of terms here. What size groups are you getting, at what distances, with your M&Ps? I mean, what’s your standard for a “precise” gun?
Also, I’m sorry, but just because you can chew the center of a target out with a 1911 doesn’t mean you’re a living ransom rest that can evaluate all other pistol designs without error. The 1911 trigger is the most forgiving trigger there is, the S&W trigger is quite different, and the human element can easily introduce so much error that you can’t say with any degree of confidence that the pistols are truly different in terms of mechanical precision.
Get your hands on a Glock 34 and try again, I think you’ll find out that some polymer guns are precise enough.
For what its worth, I personally witnessed on 4 seperate occassions, DJ Niner from GlockTalk a 12 oz pop (soda) can at 100 yds, first shot, unsupported using Weaver stance.
Glock 32 on 1 occassion.
Glock 17 with grip chopped to Glock 19 on the other 3.
Everything was stock on them.
I personally do best with the PPQ. I shoot the 1911 worst on account of my large hands and long fingers…perspective, the Glock 20SF feels just right in my hands. I get slide bite from the Glock 17.
In a fighting gun I’d take my G34 or G19 any day of the week. Period.
Lots of bullets, they never jam, and no safety to worry about. I love my TRP but in dusty, sandy environments if you don’t have time to clean your gear religiously a Glock will keep ticking away forever.
Plus, my G34 is plenty accurate. It’s easily as accurate as my 1911.
When I first got into pistol training classes, my main weapon of choice was a WC CQB. Fantastic gun and it served me well for thousand and thousands of rounds fired.
As good as my 1911 was, it was STILL the king of the feed way stoppage. It also ONLY carried 7 or 8rds. It was also heavy, required a lot more maintenance/attention than many of the other modern polymer pistols.
I then moved to Glock’s and M&P’s. The triggers sucked in comparison, accuracy wasn’t near the same either. I stuck with it for YEARS and I know can shoot them as well as I did my 1911. As I have said many times on this forum, LEARNING to shoot on a 1911 is a huge error as the trigger is a crutch and hinders you from being able to “easily” transition to a real combat trigger (Glock, etc).
Make no mistake, I am a huge 1911 fan (own two $3K+ 1911’s and am building two of my own from scratch). A wise man (that was also a 1911 aficionado) said to me; “Do you want more bullets in the gun or less bullets?”
My advice is to get a PPQ/HK/Glock or an M&P (with a fitted barrel) and learn to shoot a polymer gun (as they make a much more reliable carry/defensive gun).
I’ve been using a Glock for that last few years and I really can’t complain about much, the trigger was my biggest issue, but I’m accustomed to it now and it’s no big deal, it’s accurate as well.
I’ve used a 1911 more than anything else and I will always be a fan of the man gun.
