I understand that you didn’t but the media is hailing her as a hero which is who I originally credited with that assessment.
I didn’t see the video with the “unarmed man” claim. Whomever said that is dumber than a box of rocks.
I believe she was attempting to disarm the man by swatting the weapon out of his hand while he wasn’t looking, not just “swinging her purse at him”. She has my respect for displayed courage and dignity.
pretty disgusting the way they all just sat there waiting to die. they completely entrusted in the psycho with their lives… here you go, do what you will with it. and he obviously wanted people dead- you can see the look of satisfaction on his face when he takes the shot at the guy in the middle, and thinks he’s hit him.
he probably would have continued to stand around spewing at the mount, shooting them one at a time until he got through everyone… and as far as i can tell, they all would have let him do it.
the woman might have been stupid, but at least she had a measurable ounce of bravery. too bad she didn’t have a pistol in that purse- bet she wishes she did now. one armed person could have easily ended this assjack in the very beginning.
Rickrock:
The ice you are skating on is perilously thin. I suggest you knock it off immediately.
There is too much speculation and rush to judgment here on both sides. Everybody seems to know what they would have done better watching from the safety of their computer, something not usually deemed socially acceptable here.
And for good reason.
That video is a good example of why “Gun Free Zones” are complete horseshit. And why valid and willing CCW holders should be allowed to carry in areas like that. They probably have a nice sign in the front window that says “No firearms allowed”. :rolleyes:
what exactly would you have done ?
that wack might have changed him and thrown him off his game ?
have to say put the two of you in a room and general public take a vote I bet none would vote her the idiot !!!
I dont think she is a hero but she is brave ! and she is not a idiot in my book at least she did something
you are good at thinking you know ? or changing the situation to fit your thoughts
FACT is he is dead she is alive and at least she did something
so instead of typical you not using facts but your own fantasy thoughts why not stick to the facts
also ditto bkb I wish she had a gun and pop pop pop down goes the weasel !
I also wish but do not know the situation the security guard fired sooner and more 
but the facts again the outcome was nobody but the bad guy was shot
FNC just aired a news conference with the members. They are some real characters. Supposed to be rebroadcast in a bit.
+1! Just another example of government bureaucrats restricting our rights to “keep us safer.” Seems to be working well :rolleyes: People who support these “gun free zones” either live in some kind of fantasy world or have ulterior motives.
Anybody have the video where the guy says he was shooting blanks?
I’ve been reading people’s comments on the videos that suggest this, too.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=772_1292376603
Be careful, though, as occasionally LiveLeak can display some NSFW content as advertising.
The video on the bottom shows the encounter up until the gunfight starts and then the video freezes, but the audio continues. In the aftermath you can hear someone telling the hero that the now dead dumbass was using “caps” and that the hero gave the guy just what he wanted.
Pretty stupid thing to tell the guy who just stopped a dude shooting at you, in my opinion…
That video made my stomach churn watching defenless people sitting there just waiting for it to happen. I have no idea there stance on weapons, but this is why we have and should have on hand the weapons.
They are lucky in my opinion. God or the whatever was working overtime because all that guy had to do was walk over to them to insure he killed them.
As for the purse, hey it is not as if the woman in quesion is a trained übersoldat. She did what she thought of to best protect herself and others at the moment. I give her props for that even if her choice of defensive action is inept. Perhaps we should pile on to get her trained? Just in case she has to make such a choice again . . .
And did I hear one of the board members say the scumbag was just looking for suicide by cop before he opened fire on them?
Looks like she was trying to knock his gun away. Very stupid move to say the least. What she needed was a sure kill move. I would have removed myself from the situation if I was unarmed. I can see a 100 lb, 60 year old woman with a purse subduing a 275 lb gunman.
Here is an article from the U.K. with the video you were asking about. Same video John_Wayne777 posted a link to, but no NSFW content.
One thing that amazes me about the whole situation is that besides the security guard who shot the gunman, the only person to do something, besides trying to talk him down, was the female board member with her purse.
Her choice of a weapon may have been poor, but as many others have said she took ACTION. True her action may have esclated the situation, but in action can just as easily do the same. Second guessing her does little constructive. When I had a real job, we had to choose between bad choices all the time, but in most cases one of the bad choices was better then doing nothing at all. Examples: 1. Patrol the IED lined roads mounted in kevlar blanket and sand bagged M-998’s and LMTV’s. 2. Patrol the IED lined roads dismounted and well dispersed. 3. Don’t conduct patrols until your unit recieves the latest M-ATV’s with a route clearance company and stay holed up in your COP.
I’ll chip in towards a class for her so she understands better how to act in such a situation.
Anyone else?
Who said he was shooting blanks, one of the people diving behind the counter?:rolleyes:
After seeing the video over and over on TV, I concur that she was trying to knock the gun out of his hand.
Like bkb said just think if she had a gun in that bag of hers, it would have been much heavier and may have done the trick.:sarcastic:
I am totally on board with this. Yet most people seem to think that cooperating is the best course of action. The people in that room could have taken down the shooter, although some would have taken rounds. Or they could have stampeded out of there. The loony dude may have shot, but he shot anyway, and he had stationary targets instead of running ones.
After watching the videos a bunch, at least to me, it looks like he missed on purpose. As close as he was I don’t see how he could have missed, unless his intention wasn’t to shoot them at all. It all just reeks of “Death by Cop”.
As far as the lady trying to knock the gun out of his hand with her purse at least she tried to do something. Catching him completely unaware very easily could have succeded. Yes she could have gotten herself killed but any action taken by anyone could have had the same result.
Honestly, the guy behind the table had more guts than anyone. He tried to secure the release of everyone in the room by taking responsibility for the shooter being upset.
If you have weapons, you use those weapons to defend yourself. But if you have no weapons, and because a purse isn’t an effective weapon, you are left with diplomacy. And that is what the guy behind the table had to work with and he showed more courage than most diplomats I have ever seen.
Keep in mind he has no special hostage negotiation training, and when you are staring down the barrel of a guy who seemingly wants to die today, “please don’t” might not be the best defense but at least he was still trying.
I have to wonder what most “I know what I’d do in that situation” (and here I don’t mean you) folks would actually do when faced with it.