Maybe there is hope for Europe yet. I am starting to see signs of life after all.
hope for what? Are muslims not allowed to practice there religion? Outlawing the wearing of a burka is the biggest abuse of power ive ever seen.
Why dont we just hold them under water if they drown then they are ok to live among the rest of us, if not then they are evil devil creatures that need to be prosecuted.
wtf:mad:
A very large step to something that no doubt will be abused and misinterpreted. At what point would winter attire be considered a burka, etc?
Is this a serious post, or are you jesting us for amusement?
Riots and car burnings to follow…
Government imposed dress codes. Really?
I have an issue with them wearing a burka while getting a picture taken for an ID but if that is how they want to dress then I have no issue with it.
I think I get what heartbreakridge01 is alluding to. I can’t believe I’m about to say what I am about to say, because I hate apologists, bleeding-hearts, and…well just about everybody really. My usual response to everything and everyone is “f*** it/them”.
This would not fly in the US. Wearing a burka is religious practice (please, correct me if I’m wrong), and prohibitting it by law would be a violation of freedom of religion here in America. Do I like burkas? No, I feel they are degrading to their women and can pose safety/security risks to others, but we must remember why our founding fathers revolted: money (taxation) and for freedom of religion (freedom from the Church of England). It would be hypocritical to support other free nations to outlaw religious practices.
I think it should not even get to the point of religion, it should stop at “govt imposed dress code.”
Eh, to an extent it is a religious practice & it’d be groovy if that is all it was. I happen to live 3 blocks from a Somali mall. I have to drive past it to get to the major East/West and have routinely almost been in serious car accidents because of women wearing burkas that are unable to see around their coverings, but drive none-the-less. They pose a serious health hazard to my family and I. Whatever other reasons for or against . . . . when these women drive with what is in effect like blinders on a horse or an IFR hood on a pilot . … it is a problem. It is a problem, I don’t see a solution to . . . aside from banning the Burka or banning driving while burka-ed. I dunno (shrugs shoulders) seems most of the Somalis are driving huge SUV’s or the Lexus of your choice, can’t speak the language, don’t have jobs, and aren’t remotely interested in the rules of the road . . . the Burka takes all that and adds the effect of many of the women flying blind.
Maybe it falls into that realm of “Your rights only extend as far as they don’t trample on your neighbor’s” Somali (speaking of my 'hood specifically") religious freedom as expressed in the wearing of head coverings resulting in restricted vision while driving . … pretty clearly tramples the rights of everybody who is trying to get home safely from the grocery. * I have never known a Jew’s Kippah, a Catholics’s Crucifix, or a Hari Krishna’s robes to restrict vision to the point a driver was unsafe. I see it with Burka’s everytime I go out between 6am and 10pm
If Europe wants to survive, they need to do a population transfer and reverse the destruction of the family (IE end no-fault divorce and subsidies for non-widows/orphans/geriatrics). Same thing here. It has nothing to do with burkas or pork soup. At a certain point, the need to survive cancels out the rights of people trying to tear your civilization down. Europe has grown very vain, and soon, they really will be foreigners in their own country. In case you haven’t noticed, if you came from a family that taught you to admire and strive for strong work ethics, taught you to love your country and your constitution and showed you the difference between right and wrong… you are fast becoming more alien in this country than an illegal.
Yeah this is about the same as Indiana passing a law saying Women can’t wear Denim Skirts anymore.
Not a good precedent to set.
When we can get fat chicks banned from wearing spandex let me know where to vote.
Under normal circumstances yes. But some of you are forgetting that the burka itself is an institutional, indoctrinated form of oppression. Just because they were born and raised to believe that’s the correct way in their backwards-assed nations doesn’t mean it should be the way here or in Europe.
We as a nation are the antithesis of the burka, therefore we have no real obligation as a free nation to enable such primitive, indignant practices.
While I agree with you, I also feel the same way about most religions and their practices. Places like FLDS, and even mainstream Christianity have many practices that I consider throwbacks to our bronze age ancestry that have no place in modern society. However we allow them because that is one of the things that this country is about. We can’t start picking and choosing what we allow and what we don’t. Short of Sacrifice, and the like of course.
While oppressive, I dont think banning it would be smart either. Going against the oppression perhaps, but not by making towels illegal. Who is to stop them from banning “facial covering” garments?
Freedom of Religion was, upon intent, to prevent the State from meddling in the affairs of the church. Not the other way around.
Just sayin’.
I strongly disagree. It goes both ways. Government has no place in religion and religion has no place in Government. Many of our Founding Fathers were Deist and they did not want the two mixing.
Negative.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
The intent was to ensure that the government couldn’t restrict religion, with the exception of human sacrifice, etc. which was/is considered an affront on peaceful people.
There are a lot of misconceptions floating around about this issue. Having lived under a tyrannical government, the FF’s didn’t want a state-sponsored religion, and sought to prevent the government from meddling in the free exercise of religion.
Saying I can’t pray in a public school, or that I can’t rock a burkha is as much an assault on my constitutional rights as snatching guns.
That being said, I didn’t pray in public school, nor do I have favourable opinions on burkhas, but government has no business telling anyone that they cannot do either. And THAT is the gist of the matter. It’s neither implied nor specified that you can’t wear a burkha and hold office, it does imply and specify that the office cannot tell you that you can’t.
You nailed it, exactly. There is a book titled Suicide of the West that explains how the Western European countries, and the U.S., are essentially destroying themselves with the ideas that we hold. Another great book, Ideas Have Consequences, also outlines this trend.
It is not necessary to violate the fundamental rights set forth in the Bill of Rights, but if we are to survive as a country, we will have to reject some of the current ideas that seem to hold sway, and reinforce the ideas we were established upon. I know EXACTLY what you mean, when you talk of feeling like an alien in your own country. I feel far more in common with traditional, conservative believers in God who live in some Eastern countries (Poland, Russia, etc.) than I do with many in the U.S. who live what–to me–appears to be a form of insanity and self-destruction (progressivism, socialism, whatever you want to call it). There are many in this country who still believe in the Founders’ vision of American exceptionalism (“a City Upon a Hill”), and in honor, integrity, hard work, God, family, duty, country. But it seems like increasingly, almost NONE of the large public decisions that are made FOR us by our leaders are based on any of these beliefs/values. In fact, nearly all decisions that have been made in the last number of years seem to directly contradict these values.