Firing cadence / split times. Timed a few

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Brought some different guns i carry for some head-head testing on the timer.

Bill drills at 7 yds, A zone hits. Several each gun, typical results:

Beretta Cheetah .32 acp: .2-.22s splits
S&W M&P 2.0 full size .45 acp, standard ammo: .3-.31s splits

With 185 gr +P ammo at a chronographed 1100 fps average .35s splits

Sig P226R .40 s&w 165gr ammo .3-.31s splits.

Draw to first shot / hit with the DA Cheetah and Sig are typically about 1.65s.

(Concealed, IWB holster @2 o’clock, hands down to sides casually, like i’m staring at an isle of toilet paper looking for the good stuff on sale)

I can shoot .1s faster by beginning the trigger press on the way up to my eyes but this more often caused a pulled shot. I’ll work on it.

The striker-fired S&W was about .1s faster with the easier trigger pull.

I was curious how the numbers would look between the .40 & .45. Really no difference unless the ammo is particularly hot.

As for the .32, whats better? 6 A-hits in 2.75s or 6 A-hits with .40 or .45 in 3.45s?

I kid of course. I rarely carry the Beretta but it conceals better with a tighter t-shirt.

Not asking a question, just sharing.

I do practice drawing and firing from the hip at 1 to 3 yds. But im going to work on a drill of draw & fire one shot from the hip at 5yds, get my support hand on the gun as it comes up, fire another shot, then press the gun out and fire two more. And work on doing that smoothly. I’m sure this drill already has a name & i feel i should have already worked on this.

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I was taught to bring the trigger to the wall while extending from retention. I think you’ll like the results if you can smooth that out.

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My splits will vary of course depending on what I’m doing, range, etc.

Doubles & triples @ 3-5 yards, a first shot @ 1.0-1.2, splits in low .2s.

Usually my splits on Bill Drills are in the .24-.30 range, 9mm of course (G19).

I’m far more concerned with hits than splits, as I’m not that great a shooter, and when I floor the gas pedal my shots spread way out.

Like when I shoot a F.A.S.T., I’ll check my splits on those last 4, & I’ll see .34, .40, etc, and kinda raise my eyebrow, but then I smile when I look back at the target & see all clean hits, with an overall decent (for me) good time.

My best F.A.S.T. has been around 6.64, I think (have to check notes, not home now), usually in the 7-8 second range.

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I read about some camera glasses featured at SHOT where the spits where displayed in the view where the shooter could see them.

I’ve never sweat splits and all that stuff because the guns that would make mine look great, aren’t guns that I’d carry anyway. 2011s, for example.

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That’s the other thing, equipment. Folks will say you need a comp, you need more weight on the gun, this or that, lighter trigger, etc…no dude, I DON’T need to be humping all that extra weight & bulk around all day while I’m shaking down shopkeeps for protection money & smuggling bootleg whiskey across the border.

I train with what I carry every day.

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Same here. Circus guns don’t interest me. I don’t care how fun and fast I can shoot a pistol that I’m not going to fight with. That makes no sense to me.

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And here’s a thread drift, but I laugh when dudes online post up “muh eee deee ceee”, and it’s a big-assed Roland Special looking clone, mag extension, the works…in a big-assed sidecar rig that looks like a medieval torture device, and I wonder…

Really? You carry that shit 12-16 hours a day, every day, at work, at home, grocery shopping, hiking, hunting, etc. etc…you sure about that?

Maybe some dedicated studs actually do, but my doubt about most is strong…

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“Carry what you shoot best”, at least out to about 15 yds, would be the Beretta Cheetah. It’s a fast-handling gun.

But it’s .32 (or .380), small sights, short sight radius, and mag changes, though they don’t matter much for my mission, are a slower than guns with bigger mags and slides/slide release lever.

Downside with the Sig is the DA. It’s fine at closer ranges but draw to a first shot hit DA is not easy and quickly diminishes by the next range trip. As in a couple weeks. The confidence isn’t there unless i take a long time pulling the trigger.

That makes the M&P 2.0 .45 my favorite as far as all-around getting hits, including the first shot out to 25 yds pretty quickly. I almost never carry it, though, handle conceals poorly.

I also have M&P 2.0 .40 Compacts and don’t shoot them quite as well as the .45. Using a 15rd mag with spacer helps get a faster, more consistent grip from the draw than the flush mags that i find slightly annoyingly short.

I really wish i could just pick a belt gun & focus on it but each tool has its pros & cons.

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Obviously we want a balance of the holy triumvirate of speed, power, accuracy, then dress around, and train with, just that.

Was a 1911 in the past, but been a G19 for me, for years now.

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Nah. They’re full of it, or they carry it around the ranch / compound, not in the mall or grocery store.

I know several LE “gun afficionados” and only about half carry off-duty. That ranges from LCP’s to P365-sized guns.

Of the non-enthusiasts perhaps 1/8th carry outside of work that i know of.

I’m the only guy i know out of coworkers (im not LE) and close friends with a timer.

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That’s my thing. I try not to shoot my friends tricked out 2011s, CZ, etc. It screws up my shooting when I go back to the Glock trigger.

I’m trying to make the pistol dot work for me too. That’s been a struggle for me.

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Yeah I often muse about that…if I had a Sig P226, and still had 1911s, sure I’d shoot them occasionally…but I feel like it’s better NOT to, and to purposefully remain proficient with the platform we have chosen here.

Austerity measures around hete havr made it so we can’t afford a huge collection of “this, that, & the other”, and really only have “working guns” around, rifle & pistol.

The benefit is, all we’re ever shooting (except for a lone .22lr) are tools that actually get used.

And yes, finally starting to shooy with a timer, and doing standardized drills, was a huge 3volution for me as a rifle & especially pistol shooter.

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I’ve found pistol RDS to be detrimental to comfort, concealment, simplicity, and speed inside of 15 yds.

Guess what’s desirable for the mission of non-LE concealed carry? Yea, all of those things.

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I completely agree. I can’t understand guy who don’t want non-optic pistols anymore.

Beyond 15 or so, like you said, the precise aiming of the dot is a big help. But installing thinner front sight blades on my pistols helps me bridge the gap on fat sights and dots.

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I can’t agree with any of that, I’ve had no problems with concealment or comfort, and as far as simplicity, I am faster and more precise at all ranges with an optic.

At close range, it’s a confirmation device for point shooting. It is definitely an advantage.

Great for shooting at night too, huge benefit.

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I need to try my son’s Shadow systems/SRO combo. The larger sight is much easier for me to pick up.

But so far, on my G22/SCS, I’m still struggling to feel it close and fast.

I stood off and fired at 50 yards with the dot G22 with ease. If I’m not going fast, and shooting longer distance, I’m great with the dot.

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As a new pistol RDS owner I disagree. I recently picked up a G43x/COA and, after a short learning curve I find it very fast. I just took an advanced pistol course where we shot from different unconventional positions, both weak hand and strong hand, one handed and two handed from 3 to 25 yards and I can say it is a definite advantage. This is my third time taking this course with the prior two times with iron sights. And it is just as concealable and comfortable as my other Glocks.

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Concealability doesn’t matter to me, but speed and simple were obvious to me on 10 yard Mozambiques last weekend.

My thing is the shitty grip angle on Glocks. I have to fish for the dot which is panic city when the shot timer buzzes. With irons, I can see the correction in grip aim much easier. Accuracy was massively obvious that irons pistol was better.

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As you punch the gun out lock your wrist forward and down while looking at the target. With the Glock grip angle this brings the dot into view and then you superimpose it on the target.

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Yes. The thing with that is, for me, it’s not yet instinctual. I’ll strap up in the house with dumby rounds and practice draws. But the second my mind is distracted by the target angle or my position, pushing the grip angle down gets forgotten.

The thing about my son’s SRO is that it’s just big enough where I can see the dot up high and catch it like irons.

When I very aggressively punch the pistol out, I usually get the dot right away, but that’s not always a real world draw.

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