Feedback on 100 yard shot groups..

I agree, work gets in the way of our priorities :o.
I just buy ammo to stock up for that one special day that I can finally go to the range.
btw, that’s great your taking your sister with you. you never know sometimes who might need to use that rifle. cheers to you.

Try a L.O.W. (Line of White) hold. You should see a sliver of white between the top of the front sight post and the bottom of the black ball on the target. It helps you to focus more clearly on the front sight.

With iron sights, try a nose to charging handle hold for a consistent stock weld. A consistent stock weld places the aiming eye in the same place each time you mount the weapon. Once you get use to mounting the weapon consistently, you can back your nose off the charging handle a 1/4" or so.

The rear sight and black ball on the target should appear a little out of focus and the front sight should appear clear and sharp.

Yeah, I want her to learn how to use a gun to defend herself…and to inspire her to get into guns. She loves em, loves the kick from my dad’s 0.270 bolt action.

This actually crossed my mind last night for a brief moment as I found that I can better differentiate where the front sight post ends from where the bottom of the target is. My only reservation is keeping the thickness of the white consistent. I always do NTCH as I thought that that’s what everyone advocated. Just recently read a thread here though that it’s not necessarily the case, but with irons, I find the NTCH is a good distance for my eye relief. If I’m too far back, I tend to focus on the rear sight.

With a little experience you can consistently get the same amount of white between the top of the front sight post and the bottom of the black ball. Once you reach an age where your eyesight starts to go, you find yourself relying more on using the L.O.W. hold for precise shooting on ball targets with iron sights.

Don’t forget to follow through after the shot breaks. It helps a great deal.

Can you elaborate on this a bit more please…

When you press, not squeeze, the trigger to the rear hold it to the rear during recoil. Stay focused on the front sight until the rifle has settled down and maintain focus until you regain a perfect sight picture. After you have regained a perfect sight picture, count 1001, 1002, 1003, then release the trigger and relax your shooting position.

The concept is one shot = two sight pictures, two shots = three sight pictures.

I am firm believer that over 90% of precision shooting is mental discipline and the technique I described is part of that discipline.

I hope this helps.

I just watched an episode on Tac TV where Larry Vickers and Ken Hakathorn talked about training scars regarding trigger reset. They said that you should reset while the gun is recoiling and that by the time you regain sight picture, you should be ready to shoot. What do you think?

next time you get to the range, give each techniques 10 rounds and come with an honest opinion, which best is best to your application.

what T2C is suggesting sounds like precision shots. during my time in the Corp, if you don’t want to end up with a “pizza box”/ marksmanship badge, concentrate more.

what LV & KH is faster engagement/combat style of shooting…that’s for operators trying to get faster shot.

T2C=sniper
LV & KH=operator.

Speed Is Fine But Accuracy Is Final… you’ll hear or read it all the time.

hope it makes sense. just had one coffee so my interpretation is still “questionable.” :o

I understand the T2C was talking more about precision. And I’m not trying to argue. I’m just wondering if it’s necessary, or if it might be a bad habit to hold the trigger that long for the next shot. What if I still take my time and concentrate, but just don’t hold the trigger that long if I am worried about ingraining a possible training scar? Right now, I’m just learning, and I’m focusing more on slow precision shots, but eventually will want to proceed to more dynamic training with the carbine. However, I’m also thinking that since the topic is about shooting at 100 meters, then in that application, I should be doing what T2C described?

see, your coffee is better than mine.:cool: try it. hell, I do something like what T2C is describing, while “d r y f i r i n g.” its sounds extreme, I know.

that’s why I said, “your application.”

experience is all about what your gaining brother.
No argument from me.:cool:
time for my 2nd cup :smiley:

I believe that Mr. Ledanek summed it up nicely in post # 29.

Mr. Vickers and Mr. Hackathorn are highly respected instructors, so I suggest trying their technique and use whatever works best for you.

If I am trying to squeeze the maximum amount of precision out of a weapon system, I used the technique I described in my earlier post to absolutely minimize my body movement while the weapon is going through the firing and recoil sequence. The technique I suggested is for slow, precise, fire.

As you gain experience, you will learn shooting techniques suitable for different situations. At times you want to shoot more quickly with reasonable accuracy, but my suggestion is geared more toward precision.

If you can shoot precisely, it won’t hurt you when you decide to learn solid tactical techniques. Body position is different when shooting on the move versus shooting slow fire offhand, but you still have to pick up the sights and press the trigger in a manner that won’t disturb your sight picture any more than is acceptable for a particular application.

Now I am going to throw another concept at you, Natural Point of Aim. Research NPA and see if it applies to your situation.

Gotcha. Will try both. I believe I am familiar with Natural Point of Aim. It’s where you position your body so that your aiming naturally towards your target without much muscle strain. I strive to do this, so that my body is relaxed and still and my muscles are not fatiguing and to avoid slight twitches and tremors due to being stiff – if my body is not positioned naturally that my muscles have to support my awkward/unnatural position. Hope that makes sense.

It sound like you have a good handle on Natural Point of Aim.

Good luck.

I was taught in the Corps, once you got your sight and target aligned, closed your eyes. Inhale for a duration of 2-3 seconds, then exhale. At the “respiratory pause” open your eyes, and see if the alignment is still there. If you need to adjust, without lifting your cheek from the stock, shuffle your feet.
Repeat until you get that perfect sight alignment.

Give it a try.

Yes, I think I’ve seen this taught in a vid, esp the part about the shuffling of the feet…maybe LAV in Tac-TV or something similar… I think you’re referring to the prone position. Unfortunately, I am in Canada, and our range has a restriction that one can only shoot prone if an RSO is present. Long story… it’s related to our unelected bureaurcrats making shit up to make law abiding gun owners’ lives difficult…

ah gotcha. I feel you bro.
can you do it sitting? I’ve tried this technique, its slightly applicable. I use a backpack to further stabilize the rifle.
keep at it, and you’ll get there eventually :cool:

Yeah I can do sitting. Just the prone needs an RSO and permission from Club President. The CFO (Chief Firearms Officer) wanted the range to install baffles and slots for us to shoot prone. Such BS. This was the alternative.