https://www.federalpremium.com/30supercarry.html
Federal has a new cartridge out called the 30 Super Carry. 30 caliber, 100 grain bullet, shot at 1150-1200 FPS. Holds 2 extra rounds per mag over a 9mm with less recoil.
I’m not viewing this as a 9mm replacement but i think it would be a great 380 replacement for sub compact guns.
I been researching this round. I see the benefit over 380 in a micro pistol. But I was hoping for 762x25 ballistics in a full size duty pistol for woods work.
Already seen some ads for it online. No doubt they have gotten some gun manufacturers on board for production. I see two listed already.
Seems like a +p .380 to me, which “on paper” is not a bad thing. If it has the reliability of a 9mm as to penetration and expansion, and added capacity of .380, and or smaller pistols with superior terminal ballistics than .380, then it has potential to be a winner in my view. Cost and availability will be a big factor there as to any interests too.
Friends don’t let friends CCW .380…
It’s like a really juiced 32 ACP.
Wonder what the price point will be? With ammo so expensive will it be able to get a foothold in the market? IDK.
When pistol calibers only punch holes and nothing more, going smaller isn’t a good idea IMO. Would be interested in knowing the expanded size though…
I’ll be sticking with the 121 year old cartridge.
The HST expands to .530" vs .570" for 9mm through heavy clothing, so very close.
Who knows. Perhaps this will make a nice PDW round.
Since S&W has picked it up with their Shield Plus and Shield EZ and the fact that their newest development has just been made public in the last few day, if this cartridge sticks around I imagine we will see a CSX in this caliber before too long…
It’s 100g vs 99g for .380, so heavier than .380, so larger than any 32 ACP.
All covered at link supplied in OP…
The 50kpsi pressure is interesting. A quad-stack magazine would be less of a brick than the Surefire 60.
Where you seeing that it runs a 50k? That’s pretty high for a straight wall pistol cartridge.
.327 Fed is pretty obnoxious at 45k from the 100 gr Gold Dots @1350 fps from a 2-inch LCR.
50k is from a .313 in bore is going to be extremely loud.
45k for the .327 Fed, didn’t know they ran that high. That’s getting up there in rifle territory.
https://gununiversity.com/30-super-carry/
30 Super Carry Specs
Bullet Diameter 8mm / .313″ Bullet Weights 100-115 gr Muzzle Velocity 1250 fps Muzzle Energy 347 ft/lbs Cartridge Length 1.169″ Case Length 0.827″ Base Diameter 0.345″ Max Pressure 50,000 psi
I should have read further as those specs are “unconfirmed” so who knows. They were borrowed from https://eb-misfit.blogspot.com/2022/01/8mm-or-30-super-carry.html
No thanks. With pistol like the P365 that hold so much 9mm while being so small I see no point at all for this. It will flop
Or, you end up with .380 sized pistols with close to 9mm terminal ballistics. I usually feel these are answers in search of a problem, but this one I think may have potential to fill a use. Never been willing to CCW anything less than 9mm due to terminal ballistics, but a .380 sized pistol with 9mm like terminal ballistics could be a winner. As I’m not an early adopter of any tech, much less something that may save my life, I will sit back and let the shiny new toy beta testers of the world play with it for a while.
It might make a good pocket gun size that has the possibility of reliable expansion and penetration over .380
Exactly, and that’s obviously the intent of the rnd, and if true, win win. I want to see third party testing before I get too excited, but it has potential.
Looks closer to the 30 Luger ballistics.
At first glance I’m not a fan. It has less KE and expansion than a 9x19mm, and will undoubtedly cost more and be far less available. I also don’t think the gun frame sizes will be any smaller as it’s running higher pressures, maybe slightly thinner but why would a mfg tool up for such? (Unless demand really kicks off)
The only pro I can see is slightly higher magazine capacity and less recoil.
Gun owners always want innovation, but they poo-poo anything that isn’t 120 years old.
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