FBI Facial Recognition to go Hot 2014...

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I look at this in few ways:

  1. All of this “big brother watching” stems from our use of the internet, cell phones, and modern technology in general. If you lived about 20 years behind, still used just a landline, didn’t have a internet connection, and had a car without a GPS in it, you would be fairly free from all this “in-depth” “tracking/surveillance” stuff. Of course, the exception would now be drone surveillance or traffic cameras (and now FBI facial recognition)

  2. There are too many people just like me out there. There are too many people out there in general. To many citizens, to few cops and other law enforcement. We still have the power of numbers in this whole situation…

  3. There are over 330 million cell phones in use in the U.S. alone. 1.3 million “snooping requests”. If “big brother” is really trying to watch us he better step it up, only watching .4% of cell phones is not necessarily something to brag about. In contrast, a little over 2.5% of the US population is in some way incarcerated.

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I am going to wear Silly Putty on my face to throw the software off.

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Just wear a mask in public.

Soon enough though, masks will be banned.

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So you think it’s tinfoil-y to NOT want to have your every move monitored and stored?

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You got to love the idiocy of it all.

Commiefornia Jerry Brown sign new law allowing Women Muslims to cover their faces while FBI spends BooKoo $ on facial recognition software.

Jerry Brown signs law protecting Sikhs, Muslims, from workplace bias

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2012/09/brown-signs-law-protecting-sikhs-muslims.html

So who’s culpable when the first legit women terrorist detonates w/ her face gear on ? Who’s to say it’s a women or even a Muslim ?

Like to see how that’s going to work w/ facial recognition software. A alleged woman w/ a face Veil & or these listed below et al…

Hijaab and Khimar: The least conservative form of woman’s veil is the Hijaab also known as Khimar, Dilbant, or Jilbant. Hijaab comes from the Arabic word for curtain or cover and according to Islamic scholarship, the Hijaab is given the wider meaning of modesty and privacy. It is a piece of cloth that covers all or most of the woman’s hair and circles down to the chin. If a woman wears only a Hijaab, her face would still be clearly visible, although her hair (and usually her ears) would be hidden from view.

Abaya or Chador: The next piece of cloth that is of a similarly-conservative nature to the Hijaab is the Abaya also known as the Chador. The difference between a Hijaab and an Abaya is that an Abaya extends to the rest of the body. (In a sense an Abaya is a Hijaab-dress combination). This garment is commonly worn by Iranian women. Saudi women also wear an Abaya but compliment it with a Niqab.

Niqab: This is a piece of cloth that covers the face, at least everything beneath the eyes. In many instances the Niqab continues all of the way up to the hair line. In those cases, a slit is cut for the woman’s eyes, but her face remains concealed. Niqabs are worn almost exclusively with Hijaabs and Abayas. If a woman (in theory) were to only wear a niqab, her hair would and chin would exposed as the Niqab only covers the front of the face.

Yashmak: This is a piece of cloth which combines the lower half of a Niqab (i.e. the part below the eyes) with a partial Hijaab so that most of the hair is covered. This headcovering used to be popular in Egypt, but is now being phased out for Hijaab and Hijaab-Niqab wearing.

Burqa: This is a garment modeled on the Abaya, but instead of leaving the face exposed, the Burqa covers the entire face. The upper part of the face is replaced with a mesh so that the woman can see out, but otherwise the woman cannot be seen or see out from beneath the fabric.

Congratulations Gov. Brown, you have now created a new method for legit Tango’s male/female/LBGT/Midgets/LBGT Midgets et al to conceal Gov. Brown…

Apparently the cranial vault challenged Govenor did not learn from France’s mistakes etc.

Billion plus dollar system thwarted by …

Brilliant, just brilliant

Gawd please, stop the Earth’s rotation for a moment I want off this nut house planet…

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You know what’s really slick about that? They can’t even stop you to ask you if you’re a Muslim, or even a woman. Can you imagine the shitstorm that would ensue the first time they did that to a Muslim woman?

I see a whole new business opportunity here for concealing headwear and garments for the concerned citizen.

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You bet. He/she/it/LGBT/Midget LBGT et al was a Muslim by day, Christian by night etc.

Traffic Cameras w/ driver’s identity etc… Bus Stops, Railway Stations, Airports, Maritime ports, major ports of ingress/egress, people proclaiming different faiths as reason to disguise identities etc.

Next stop, more Bio-Metrics & RFID chips All Aboard !

Fun ain’t it…

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No. I think it’s tinfoil-y to think that:

  1. Any system fielded will be that good - people routinely overestimate the govt and its abilities to do things like this. Too many people confuse hollywood (Bourne movies as an example) with what is really out there.

  2. Any system fielded will be abused so quickly and easily by the govt that the system must have some nefarious use in mind when designed.

  3. You are so important that the govt must be watching/recording/tracking you.

  4. You have any expectation of privacy in public. If you are standing on a street corner, I can take photos/video of you and it’s perfectly legal. You can’t do anything to stop it whether I am a LEO, a private citizen, p.i., paparazzi, artsy photog, surveyor, traffic camera, etc. If you don’t want to be captured on digital or other media, the only solution is to stay on private property.

  5. There won’t be measures in place to prevent abuse. If the public knew how many hurdles and obstacles there are before a govt agent can engage in certain surveillance techniques, a lot of this conspiracy crap would die down permanently. This applies to both the legal pre-requisites that are appropriate and the general inefficiency of the govt.

I would be more concerned that the proper safeguards are included in any such system to prevent China from hacking in and using it against us. Our govt is too busy dealing with ACTUAL threats to worry about what the private citizens are buying at a coffee shop or reading on their smart phones.

Every time I hear someone express concern that our govt is out to get them, monitor them, etc. I immediately conclude they are either 1) up to something illegal/inappropriate. 2) a few sandwiches shy of a picnic and wearing a tinfoil hat.

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They get tired of using entrapment?

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So, what department do you work for, Officer?

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People have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

Just because I don’t feel that my personal beliefs, feelings should be anybody’s business other than whom I choose to associate with does not mean that there is any criminality or any component thereof.

Not only is that the wrong assumption, it wastes time & resources, it’s illegal w/o a warrant & should be. This whole current let certain people in power get away w/ their behavior(s), transgressions, moral interpitude, fraud, collusion, crony politics is exactly the WRONG way to lead anybody. Leadership has always shown best by leading by example not the exception etc. It will fail on that trajectory, bank on it.

What happened to innocent until PROVEN in court of law/jury of peers are you guilty ?

The comments above tell me how far out we are at this point.

Where does it stop ?

Apparently people don’t read history or understand what the founding fathers set it this way for.

These are not the foundations for which our country was formulated & paid for in blood. Freedom does not equate to unwanted, un-warrented surveillance by any entity. As another LEO stated here if you don’t like it go somewhere else. That is not an acceptable answer either. I was born here & stayed here for reasons of the Freedom’s/liberties granted to us. All of sudden drastic changes regarding our freedom’s does not make that the righteous path either.
I can see why we’re imploding. I have seen literally countless abuses of color & authority of law or ROL & it is not getting better, it’s escalating getting worse… I would call that a clue.

This whole change the paradigm to a Statist/Crony Capitalism/Oligarchy/Socialist/Hitler-esk/Marxist state (I don’t even think they know yet what it is exactly they want other than change, contain & control no mater what it takes, what it costs, how many people die, get beat up, abused, civil/constitutional rights denied on etc) from the principles & concepts THIS country was founded on is not going to work out in the long run no doubt.

I never knew a US Veteran that served under socialism or fought for it.

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[QUOTE=El Cid;1391930]No. I think it’s tinfoil-y to think that:

  1. Any system fielded will be that good - people routinely overestimate the govt and its abilities to do things like this. Too many people confuse hollywood (Bourne movies as an example) with what is really out there.

  2. Any system fielded will be abused so quickly and easily by the govt that the system must have some nefarious use in mind when designed.

  3. You are so important that the govt must be watching/recording/tracking you.

  4. You have any expectation of privacy in public. If you are standing on a street corner, I can take photos/video of you and it’s perfectly legal. You can’t do anything to stop it whether I am a LEO, a private citizen, p.i., paparazzi, artsy photog, surveyor, traffic camera, etc. If you don’t want to be captured on digital or other media, the only solution is to stay on private property.

  5. There won’t be measures in place to prevent abuse. If the public knew how many hurdles and obstacles there are before a govt agent can engage in certain surveillance techniques, a lot of this conspiracy crap would die down permanently. This applies to both the legal pre-requisites that are appropriate and the general inefficiency of the govt.

I would be more concerned that the proper safeguards are included in any such system to prevent China from hacking in and using it against us. Our govt is too busy dealing with ACTUAL threats to worry about what the private citizens are buying at a coffee shop or reading on their smart phones.

Every time I hear someone express concern that our govt is out to get them, monitor them, etc. I immediately conclude they are either 1) up to something illegal/inappropriate. 2) a few sandwiches shy of a picnic and wearing a tinfoil hat.[/QUOTE]

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No one expressed concern about their gummint being “Out to get them”; I am expressing concern for this new facial recognition system, the debt it will generate and the potential for abuse on many levels.

So anyone who questions the motives of their gummint; who
believes that systems/technology like this could be potentially damaging is either a tinfoiler or a criminal to you huh? WOW, what a load of BS.

Please answer me these questions three:

  1. Why are you okay with spending a billion dollars on this type of system when we are in debt that is basically insurmountable and getting worse every second?

  2. Why would they need to implement this type of system in the first place? What are we citizens getting out of the deal other than being on camera for Big brother to monitor more so? Especially since you seem to think it won’t be effective and could potentially be used against us by our enemies?

  3. Why do you label me (and other concerned posters here) as either tin-foilers or a criminals- simply for espousing sincere concern regarding a technology/system meant to increase our gummints ability to monitor/track and control us?

There is a big difference between “Expecting privacy in public…” and our gummint being able to monitor/track anyone, anywhere at anytime; including on private property and inside our homes.

Why do we need drones flying 24/7 over every state monitoring citizens? (One of my jobs is in construction and from the RFP’s I’ve seen recently- our gummint is currently bidding on/construcing about 15-25 TUAV’s-Tactical Unmanned Areal Vehicle Hangers/launching faclities" nationwide; why all this spending to monitor us constantly? What is the rationalization behind spending money we don’t have to monitor everyone more effectively? These projects cost a ton of money! 5-15 million each- on our dime…)

Why do we need cameras on every street corner?

Why do we need facial recognition software to track citizens nationwide?

This gummint is beyond out of control, and thinking this new FBI facial recognition system is anything but a step in the wrong direction is ludicrous to me; I cannot fathom a reality where I would want more gummint control, more gummint monitoring, more gummint spending, anymore gummint at all…

So what positive outcome do you think we are going to get out of this billion dollar system we cannot afford to build? Seriously.

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The answer to all three questions is the same: He is a statist who thinks the individual exists to serve the state.

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I’m going to start wearing a burqa and if I’m stopped I’m just going to say that I’m a transvestite who converted to Islam. Then start screaming how my civil liberties are being violated by the great satan.

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Your forgot the most important part.

Get the ACLU to help you GET $$$$$$$$$$ as a result.

Make sure and record it and put it on youtube.

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for the children :mad:

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The 4th Amendment provides for changes in technology. Just because we have new ways of corresponding doesn’t mean they’re outside the scope of personal privacy.

“Persons, houses, papers and effects.”

I don’t wish to live in a country where I’m considered guilty of a crime just because I exist, and therefore must be watched constantly. It used to be that government needed a reason to place an individual under surveillance.

A government that is wicked will always try to keep a watchful eye on their good citizens, because the good people will cause trouble by shining a light onto their dark activities.

Yes! The only people who have a complaint about being watched by the authorities are criminals! In fact, that is an admission of guilt. Why don’t police use that as probable cause and start arresting all the anti- “big brother” types? Hooray for fascism

What the hell is wrong with you?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWY69mTr5gM&feature=related

FF to 2:43.

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If one were to sum it to the core he does though he may not be fully cognizant of it.