I went to a local gun shop and saw what was claimed to be a new-in-box SR-15 Mod 1, with a Core upper, Mod 1 rail, LWRC sights, and a BCM Gunfighter ambi charging handle. The store, who is fairly stand-up with their inventory, claimed it came from KAC in that configuration.
I’ve never seen any KAC with non-KAC branded accessories, let alone a non-KAC upper receiver.
Anyone else ever seen anything like this? I didn’t take a photo, but I can go back and take some later this weekend.
They may have “received it” in that configuration, but I have a hard time believing that it came from Knights like that… I’m guessing this is a distributor produced Franken-gun using uppers and lowers that they had in house.
LOL. No. Just no. Like Stromin commented, they might have received it that way, but KAC isn’t sending out uppers or weapons like that. If I’ve been huffing soup mix or something and am wrong, I would love to hear the backstory.
My guess is that if you go back to the store, you will find nothing is KAC with the exception of the rail. No barrel, nor BCG.
I would enjoy seeing a picture if you can. I should also point out that it is possible someone sent parts in to KAC to be assembled, fixed, etc… I guess in theory that could be an excuse for saying it came from KAC as configured.
I can’t imagine why we’d do something like that, I can only imagine that the seller used some creative wording when describing the situation.
Definitely interested in pictures!
Probably a frankengun built on one of the stripped lowers you guys sold. Not blaming you Jack but I cannot understand why your guys sold those lowers. I would think KAC’s reputation is too valuable. I can see Bubba 1 selling a junk rifle built on a stripped KAC lower in a gunshow parking lot to Bubba 2. The roll mark sells the rifle but the rifle is junk. Not saying the rifle the OP is looking at is junk but it obviously isn’t a KAC rifle.
It’s gotta be the same shop I’m talking about because they literally have the same gun on the wall. I didn’t get a “straight answer” when I asked about it. I can definitely get you pics though. Also, they’re asking $1,999.00 for it
Yep! It’s the same shop! (Hello there fellow M4C neighbor)
So, I went back over the weekend and got pictures… as well as clarification. I asked to see the “KAC” rifle again and asked if it was a factory KAC. As before, I was told it was. Obviously, it wasn’t, so I directly asked the guy at the counter if it came from KAC direct or from a distributor - he said it came from a distributor.
My guess is the people working there just don’t know enough about KAC to know that there’s a major difference between a factory rifle and a frankengun built with a KAC lower.
In any case, I got pictures. Sorry for the poor quality and lighting. I dropped my iPhone on a trip recently and it doesn’t focus as well as it used to.
If it’s not obvious, the upper and barrel are CORE-brand. The bolt and BCG are likely CORE too (they’re definitely not KAC, but I didn’t have a chance to take a picture of them). The rail is a KAC URX 3.1 with LWRC sights. Charging handle is a ambi BCM Gunfighter. The lower looked like a complete SR-15 KAC ambi lower. My guess is that the distributor (whoever they were) got some complete KAC lowers and stripped CORE uppers, and put them together with URX rails. That’s my best guess, anyway.
Again, I don’t think this is a direct attempt by the shop to pull one over. They’re a fairly stand-up shop with good discounts for LE and military. I truly believe this is just ignorance more than anything else.
Im not an expert, but I own over 8 Noveske rifles, not one of them came with a B5 or LMT SOPMOD from the factory. It could be that your dealer is swapping parts.
Core is basically Anderson quality and priced similar. If someone pay s 2k for that gun they are getting ripped hard. 7-800$ lower with probably $400-500 in parts on the upper. Half that being the KAC rail
None of the distributors I’ve dealt with would cook up something like that.
If the gun is new I’d guess the upper and lower came into the shop separately, possibly the dealer added a KAC rail to and already assembled CORE upper (or just built to upper from parts) to go with the lower (budget upper parts would give them a bigger margin assuming they can convince a customer the rifle is worth the $2k asking price). If they’re an 01 FFL (as opposed to an 07/Manufacturer), assembling uppers for sale in house is problematic and can potentially get them in hot water with ATF.
Another possibility would be that the dealer purchased the gun used and is hoping it’s “close enough” to an SR-15 for someone to give them the asking price. I can’t tell from the tag if the gun is being sold as new or used.
Again, I can’t imagine something like that coming as a complete rifle from a distributor.
At an absolute minimum, that is dishonest. Being sold as a KAC weapon, it is 100% causing damage to the reputation of KAC by using substandard parts. If the box and supplied advertising material are listing it as KAC with Core being secondary, and this is coming from an actual company and not some bubba selling weapons, I would expect KAC litigation to come quickly with a minimum of a cease and desist.
That is flat out bad.
Thanks for updating the post with pics.
Makes me wonder what the status is with that “Noveske” up on the wall. I’m also wondering if the stocks are even legit, or if they have a Chinesey smell to them…
(Hello there fellow M4C neighbor)