Excessive black residue after using CLP Foam Bore cleaner

[Jimston]

I located the source of the black gunk. There is basically a buildup of carbon deposits that found its way into the factory compensator that Colt puts on their 6601c’s.

I guess it’s just one of those hard to reach spots that didn’t become obvious until it was soaked in CLP foam bore cleaner. Once the muzzle break was filled with foam and had a chance to sit for a little while, the black gunk started literally pouring out.

It was really caked in there good around the mouth of the barrel, but i managed to remove most of it. No more green residue after switching to a high end cleaning rod.

And believe me guys, i wish i could fire my rifle more often. I have over 1000 rounds of ammunition for my Colt, but no way to shoot it at the moment. I’m without transportation for now and do not have many shooting buddies.

I had a friend that i was shooting with, but he turned out to be a liar who kept bragging about his military service, which turned out to be false. Most people i know are either anti gun, or have zero interest in shooting.

[MistWolf]

@jeffk813

Several years ago, I was shown the difference between Hoppes #9 and the newer stuff available. I was shocked to find that rather than actually cleaning the bores, the Hoppes had been leaving layers upon layers of varnish-like residue in my barrels.

I switched to newer stuff, such as shooter’s choice, and now foaming bore cleaners (I’m currently using Outer’s) and at the time of the switchover, I noticed the same thing as the OP. Tons of gunk that came out of a supposedly clean barrel. My gunsmith friend (who’s been a successful gunsmith longer than I’ve been alive, and who was theone who showed me the Hoppe’s residue issue) was of the opinion that it was the crud that was left over from the Hoppe’s residue.

It eventually stopped, and now I actually find it MUCh easier to clean my guns. The brushes and patches are much easier to push through the bores and cleaning is much more productive.

But that’s just my .02

Interesting. Never noticed any residue from Hoppe’s #9 in all the years I’ve used it. But I haven’t left a bore wet with it & always finish by wiping the bore with dry patches before oiling. I also use different bore cleaners, depending on what’s available

[chadbag]

@MistWolf

Hoppe’s #9 isn’t crappy. It’s made for those who clean their rifles as preventive maintenance rather than waiting until the barrel has enough copper build up to begin mining operations. It was also formulated many years ago when barrel steels were more susceptible to damage from chemical attack.

On a relative scale, it is crappy. It may have been great when it first came out but there are lots of far superior products available today such that #9 could disappear tomorrow and the shooting world would not be worse off (probably better off).

[MistWolf]

@chadbag

On a relative scale, it is crappy. It may have been great when it first came out but there are lots of far superior products available today such that #9 could disappear tomorrow and the shooting world would not be worse off (probably better off).

Heh! That can be said for many gun cleaning products!

[Littlelebowski]

You guys are applying trigonometry to a problem that can be solved by counting on your fingers.

[kartoffel]

@Jimston

I do have one of those red coated rods that are smooth and slippery. I guess i’ll start using that one instead. I was using a cheap winchester cleaning rod that was def made from copper. No wonder it kept turning green haha.

Brass rods are fine as long as you’re not getting any solvent on them. Early on in my gun-cleaning days I learned that solvent and bronze brushes don’t mix well. Kept brushing scrubbing dad’s rifle and then pushing a patch through only to find more copper. Finally it dawned on me to quit shoving a bronze brush through a barrel that’s still wet with solvent… and whaddaya know, 2 patches later the barrel was clean

[Safetyhit]

@Littlelebowski

Show us groups from a clean barrel and a dirty barrel. Once you see the light, you’ll stop worrying about the small stuff.

I understand this point, but in your two posts you almost seem to be implying that there is no need ream a barrel with bore cleaner. Probably not what you are trying to convey, but it’s what seems to come across.

[ra2bach]

@TurkeyLeg

jb bore paste is probably the only thing thats going to do what you want.

I would not use bore paste in a gas operated gun…

[Jimston]

I went to the Blue trails range in Wallingford during Sunday evening and fired 480 rounds within a 2 hour period. I had not a single magazine, ammo, or weopon related function.

I feel like i can def rely on this weapon system and feel ready to take a class. My rifle is extremely accuracte for what it is (colt 6601c), and i am very pleased.

I have barely any experiance with peep sites or Ar’s in general, and i am some how able to get consistent grouping throughout a 2 hour period.

I used 5 differerent kinds of ammo. The first 300 rounds i fired were basic 55g Remington umc fmj. Second, i fired 60 rounds of american tactical 62g penetrator, then 20 rounds of M855 green tip penetrator, and finally i fired the last 80 rounds which were cheap ass tula 55g steel.

Since i cleaned the hell out of the barrel during the following two weeks, it was hardly as dirty after all that ammo. I think the clp foam managed to get rid of just about all the crap i was complaining about. I use regular clp on the bore as well.

I only use a dewey coated rod now. I probably was over thinking things. I’ve gotta say though, the upper reciever and bcg were extremely dirty haha. All that ammo had my rifle oozing lots of black goo. I did lube the hell out of it with kleenbore conditioner, and a second coat of royal purple.

I’ve learned that a heavily lubed AR = more dirt and grime.

By the way, i called Colt, and they have assured me that my rifle was outfitted with a match quality stainless steel barrel that is used in the most precise rifles.

I ended up with the barrel that the military began using in their designated marksman rifles when they started issuing SPR type weopons to the troops. As far as i’m concerned, i have a high quality barrel.

[Iraqgunz]

More lube equals a weapon that will reliably function. The “grime” is powder residue.

@Jimston

I went to the Blue trails range in Wallingford during Sunday evening and fired 480 rounds within a 2 hour period. I had not a single magazine, ammo, or weopon related function.

I feel like i can def rely on this weapon system and feel ready to take a class. My rifle is extremely accuracte for what it is (colt 6601c), and i am very pleased.

I have barely any experiance with peep sites or Ar’s in general, and i am some how able to get consistent grouping throughout a 2 hour period.

I used 5 differerent kinds of ammo. The first 300 rounds i fired were basic 55g Remington umc fmj. Second, i fired 60 rounds of american tactical 62g penetrator, then 20 rounds of M855 green tip penetrator, and finally i fired the last 80 rounds which were cheap ass tula 55g steel.

Since i cleaned the hell out of the barrel during the following two weeks, it was hardly as dirty after all that ammo. I think the clp foam managed to get rid of just about all the crap i was complaining about. I use regular clp on the bore as well.

I only use a dewey coated rod now. I probably was over thinking things. I’ve gotta say though, the upper reciever and bcg were extremely dirty haha. All that ammo had my rifle oozing lots of black goo. I did lube the hell out of it with kleenbore conditioner, and a second coat of royal purple.

I’ve learned that a heavily lubed AR = more dirt and grime.

By the way, i called Colt, and they have assured me that my rifle was outfitted with a match quality stainless steel barrel that is used in the most precise rifles.

I ended up with the barrel that the military began using in their designated marksman rifles when they started issuing SPR type weopons to the troops. As far as i’m concerned, i have a high quality barrel.

[Littlelebowski]

You are wasting your time with all of this obsessive cleaning and would you rather have a dirty reliable weapon or a dry, clean jammed weapon?

Seriously does anyone read any of the knowledge post here anymore?

@Jimston

I went to the Blue trails range in Wallingford during Sunday evening and fired 480 rounds within a 2 hour period. I had not a single magazine, ammo, or weopon related function.

I feel like i can def rely on this weapon system and feel ready to take a class. My rifle is extremely accuracte for what it is (colt 6601c), and i am very pleased.

I have barely any experiance with peep sites or Ar’s in general, and i am some how able to get consistent grouping throughout a 2 hour period.

I used 5 differerent kinds of ammo. The first 300 rounds i fired were basic 55g Remington umc fmj. Second, i fired 60 rounds of american tactical 62g penetrator, then 20 rounds of M855 green tip penetrator, and finally i fired the last 80 rounds which were cheap ass tula 55g steel.

Since i cleaned the hell out of the barrel during the following two weeks, it was hardly as dirty after all that ammo. I think the clp foam managed to get rid of just about all the crap i was complaining about. I use regular clp on the bore as well.

I only use a dewey coated rod now. I probably was over thinking things. I’ve gotta say though, the upper reciever and bcg were extremely dirty haha. All that ammo had my rifle oozing lots of black goo. I did lube the hell out of it with kleenbore conditioner, and a second coat of royal purple.

I’ve learned that a heavily lubed AR = more dirt and grime.

By the way, i called Colt, and they have assured me that my rifle was outfitted with a match quality stainless steel barrel that is used in the most precise rifles.

I ended up with the barrel that the military began using in their designated marksman rifles when they started issuing SPR type weopons to the troops. As far as i’m concerned, i have a high quality barrel.

[rushca01]

“Filthy 14” has opened my eyes to the world of no longer “cleaning” my guns. After having shot that gun I no longer spend hours cleaning guns. After a hard carbine class the gun will get wiped down on the outside and I either run a boresnake or a couple patches through it and that’s it. I do take the BCG and wipe it down or spray with slip 725 then reaply lube.

Now with that being said my guns are not duty guns, if your gun is a duty gun you may want to spend a few more minutes on it. Again, after saying that I still never trust a clean gun and need at least a mag through it before I’m happy.

[chadbag]

Let’s give the OP a little break WRT excessive cleaning. He bought a used gun and wanted to get it to a known state. No harm in a good scrub down on an unknown gun…

[MistWolf]

@Littlelebowski

You are wasting your time with all of this obsessive cleaning and would you rather have a dirty reliable weapon or a dry, clean jammed weapon?

Seriously does anyone read any of the knowledge post here anymore?

Are you saying that cleaning your AR will cause it to malfunction? Or are you throwing in the “dry” part for plausible deniability?

I don’t clean any of my weapons obsessively but there’s no denying there is personal satisfaction and peace of mind in having my firearms clean, properly lubricated and without any jams or peanut butter.

A clean weapon is also easier to inspect for potential problems. When I say clean, I mean clean like when I clean my house. My house is my home where it’s cleaned for comfort, ease and safety. My home is not a museum where everything is cleaned and detailed for display with little DO NOT TOUCH signs that clash with the decor.

Reading the Knowledge Post is recommended, but is useless unless you go shoot so you can find out how much cleaning your personal AR really needs

[Jimston]

I don’t see how i’m being obsessive here. Thanks Chad for understanding. I never run the thing dry, by the way.

I’m learning as i go along with this AR, and the bottom line is that i want to take care of it and keep it in the best possible condition.

I shoot it in the rain and snow and get it dirty every time i shoot it. I don’t care about it looking pretty and avoiding dings and scratches. All i care is that it works when i need it.

I wish i could have taken pictures the other day. When i said excessive black residue, i meant EXCESSIVE! Or should i say an insane amount. The inside of the muzzle break had a ball of black gunk that was the size of a marble.

I was worried about it, but i am not anymore.

And honestly, if anyone wanted to be more helpful, they could have told me as to what i should be doing, rather than getting pissed off at me and only telling me that I’m over thinking things.

Please close this thread or delete it.

[Jimston]

@Littlelebowski

You are wasting your time with all of this obsessive cleaning and would you rather have a dirty reliable weapon or a dry, clean jammed weapon?

Seriously does anyone read any of the knowledge post here anymore?

Can you read? I never stated that i run my weapon dry. I lube the hell out of it. All i said was that more lube seems to = more gunk when it’s time to clean my rifle.

I’ve been experimenting with different lubes, so there is no consistency in how dirty my weapon gets.

There is so many miserable people here who could give two shits about helping new comers. I’m done posting here. I’ll learn on my own.