What optic are you using?
Luepold 3x-9x-40mm. I can’t remember the model VXII or whatever. It’s duracoated, Can’t see the mod #. It’s good glass, not crappy, not a Nightforce either. But good enough.
It’s not the optics, I can get good groups with a 9x Leupold.
3x is pretty tight on the low end for 3-gun. The reason I ask is because it makes a moot point to be chasing sub-moa accuracy if you are running a 1-4 or 1.5-6 optic.
I can see your point clearly. Maybe I need to take up 3 gun and just stop worrying about this barrel. 
Ok, seriously. I live in Frisco TX, (North of Dallas) I have a genuine interest in 3 gun. Where do I start? Where can I go see one (other than youtube) and participate in one. I sm dure they have beginner or novice groups.
BTW, I usually run a 1-4x Leupold on this gun. I like that scope, for my use it is very versatile. I have used the same model on my 375 H&H for 21 years and it has served me well. I too find 4x a bit high when I do a drill like the 9-hole @ 100 yards. When I get on the bottom 3 holes, I sometimes struggle for a second to locate the plate if there are no other targets on either side to reference where I am aiming. Dialed down to 2x or 3x makes it easier.
I have used the Eotech but when you have a gun that you use for hunting and longer range shooting the Eotech lacks the precision that I need for a multi purpose rifle, which is why I like MOA guns. I like them to be capable of hunting if need be.
Thanks again for the info.
So check this webpage out. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21681 I don’t live in the Dallas area so I couldn’t say how local these are, but it’s a place to start.
3-gun is a blast and IMHO the best test of shooting fundamentals, because so many different skills will be tested in a short period of time. Don’t worry about becoming a master shooter before going to your first event, beginners are always welcome at competitions. Just remember gun safety and to always have a good time.
Here are a couple videos from competitions we have held recently. Generally on youtube people watch all the Regional/National events, but local competitions are a bit less scary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1oiZFiQhRk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lknSn4ppn1k&feature=youtu.be
Thanks. I bought my Dillon 550b from Brian. Reminds me … I need to buy more Dillon stuff as I just got a XD40 Tactical that SHOOTS! I Like my 1911, but that XD gun is growing on me.
I used to water ski competitively, I was not very good, but they always let me try! I am sure it’s the same with most competitions. Newcomers are usually welcomed quite warmly.
Thanks. I’ll watch the videos too.
All I can say is I suggest you do some more research into the AR.
No comment on the question about what accuracy to expect out of the Sionics barrel that people were talking about? The OP was asking if he could expect MOA or better from it.
Well, it’s tough to gauge sarcasm or humor on a thread. So, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt since I don’t quite understand that statement.
You say Stoners are 2-3 MOA barrels. Ok, I asked if your barrel is capable of MOA under the right circumstances. Maybe you misunderstood my post and took offense at the wording. It happens. Sorry if it came out wrong. I certainly had no intention of insulting your product. I was interested in that barrel. For reasons of my own, I do not like mine and want to replace it.
If you’re dead set on replacing that barrel, look at Green Mountain. My 20", 1:8 twist A2 barrel is chrome lined and shoots MOA. My friend’s 20" 1:12 twist A1 barrel also shoots MOA. I’ve never tried their stainless barrels, but if their chrome lined ones are an overall example of the brand, I’d have high hopes. For less than most comparable products, I’ve not seen another chrome lined barrel perform significantly better.
Armalite used to print on their entry working type AR’s estimated accuracy to be 2.0-3.0 moa. They don’t list it anymore.
Perfectly acceptable field-grade accuracy.
I must have misread the question or passed it over. Here’s what I will tell you about the barrels.
First thing is that I would never in my lifetime guarantee a barrel to shoot MOA, sub-MOA or anything else. Simply because the moment you do, you are setting yourself up. We have had barrels sent back to us by people who insisted that they won’t group. We then took them and assembled them into an upper (properly) and were able to shoot groups that were more than respectable. You can look on M4C for some of the results from Trident86 and others. In addition we have various test targets and stuff on the Facebook page.
The other thing I will say is that people are too wrapped around the accuracy axle. If someone is demanding MOA accuracy, then I also have to demand that they also (a.) know how to shoot, (b.) use quality ammo that is match grade, (c.) assemble their weapon properly, (d.) and have an optic that will enable them to do so.
My gage for a barrel is quite simple. Can I hit what I am aiming at, and is it doing what I need it to do? If I can hit a steel plate at 600 yards then I am more than happy with the barrels performance. I am not a Delta Force Space Shuttle Ninja sniper rescuing hostages from Mars. I am also not a police officer on SWAT. I also don’t shoot competition. But, if my rifle will perform at the distance I need it to, then I am happy.
I am more interested in having a weapon that will shoot the ammo I feed it and that it doesn’t malfunction. If it does that, then I am happy.
Thanks.
I demand accuracy from my gun. You don’t. Ok, cool. Maybe we do different things with our guns. I am clearly wrapped around the accuracy axle and I am comfortable there. It makes me happy. Its my woobie, so to speak.
Now, re read my post, I Didn’t ask for a guarantee. I Wanted an idea of a reasonable expectation under the right circumstances. (You can re-read my post). That is far from asking for a guarantee.
I bet Scionics barrels are pretty good barrels. I was looking at them on your recommendation. Price was good and had some internet references to back it up. I do not know what capacity you represent them, but they just lost one customer. Thanks for making the list shorter for me.
Good day sir.
I have zero affiliation with Sionics, but if I did, I’d be thrilled to see you go.
I apologize that you misunderstood what I was saying. If I told you that it will shoot 2 MOA would that make you happy? If I told you it will beat the MILSPEC requirements for a service carbine or rifle would that be better?
The point I was making, which seems to be lost is that it may or may not shoot 1 MOA. We cannot control all the variables. I also explained what we typically see from the barrels.
You’ll also notice I never said I didn’t demand accuracy, but rather that the demand needs to be reasonable and relative.
Cool. Apology accepted. Tone is impossible to convey in late night postings (I think mine was about 2:30 am, right after yours) so no hard feelings.
So, care to expand on your answer, because I’m still in the market.