Even DPMS lPK's suck. See inside

No it was a pin I just replaced it. The point is from my experience (this not being the first) DPMS makes poor quality products. The best warranty is the one you never have to use. Being that you have been on this site for quite a while I am surprised you have not heard about other DPMS woes.
Pat

Alaskapopo,

Being that you have been on this site for quite a while I am surprised that you have not heard about our Rule #4:

Contact The Manufacturer or Dealer First – Internet forums have a large global audience and unsubstantiated or ill-informed comments will affect the livelihoods of a lot of hard working people in the industry. If you have an issue with a manufacturer or dealer that you would like to resolve, we ask that your first contact them to resolve it.

Look I can see you are trying to jam me up. Go ahead and delete the thread if you want. But what I said was true. Plus this thread has been here a long time I am surprised you took the time now to notice a rules violation.
pat

Couple of questions:

  1. What does jam you up mean?

  2. Do you think the rules don’t apply to you because you know what you said is true (everyone thinks this) or simply because DMPS is not a favorite around here?

I am not going to let you bait me into a pissing match. Delete the thread if you want. I will be contacting other staff members to discuss my concerns about your behavior.
Good night. If you want to discuss the matter further with me use the PM function.
Pat

You do that!

Have a great night!

Ummmm if the coast is clear…

I have seen several DPMS trigger pins fail both in the .22 LR uppers and in regular AR15 .223 (since there’s are not a true 5.56).

My opinion comes from having to correct so many problems with DPMS guns. Our department purchased 10 rifles for new members of our team and none would run with the issued training or duty ammo. Ned’s chamber reamer saved our ass on that one. They were tight enough I would barely call them .223 chambers. DPMS said it was our ammo and not the guns yet my LMT (at the time) and several of our Colt’s ate it just fine.

The admin wanted us to switch to a heavier bullet and I had to show them how the 1/9 twist was inferior to the 1/7 and that our rifles would be more of a liability using that ammo and barrel combo.

Some people think that DPMS is “just as good as” and thats fine (and thankfully they are few and far between here). My experience comes from having to fix their shit guns that would function better with a better QC on their end.

We have since scrapped most of the DPMS guns.

Whose LPK do you recommend? DPMS seems to be the most available. Brownells sells High Std and Bushmaster along w/ DPMS. Who else makes their own?

-Mike.

Stag is my favorite. I don’t much care for RRA because of few of their kits I have bought had horrendous trigger pulls. But they did work and did not break.
Pat

How so? I currently have a Stag that I built the lower to and a Spike’s 22 upper. Earlier this spring I broke a hammer pin. I figured it was because the grime from the couple o’ thousand rounds of .22lr I had fired without cleaning the lower. I managed to replace the pin and now I remove and clean the lower parts whenever it gets real gritty.

I have used around 6 DPMS lpks, I actually prefer them to RR (smoother trigger IMO)

The only Stag LPK I have had experience with is with my wife’s Stag M4. The trigger wouldn’t reset without pushing it forward, and this issue occured inside of 100 rounds. I replaced the hammer and trigger with a RRA FCG and she has had no problems since, but I agree the trigger RRA trigger pull is rough.

I had an issue like that with one of the RRA kits. It took a lot of oil and dry firing (holding the hammer as I pulled the trigger) to get it to work but then it was ok as far as function but the pull weight felt like 9 or 10 pounds.
Pat

I will admit the DPMS kit did have a good trigger pull as far as stock GI triggers go.
Pat

DPMS hammer/trigger pins are glossy blued and appear to be made differently than most other quality pins.

I stay away from them.

Just so ya know, if you had called STAG as I did about this same issue, they overnight you a UPS shipping label PRE-PAID and you overnight the rifle to them and it gets the LPK thrown away and a new one installed and test fired.

I sent my 1L out on Monday and got it back Thursday of the same week. Total out of pocket cost was $0.00. Stag stands behind thier weapons, unlike Bushmaster with the 12 month warranty. Everybody falls down once in a while, it’s about how fast you get back up that really matters. Stag recovers gracefully.

I like Stag but I must say the best warranty is the one you never have to use. A life time warranty means nothing when your gun malfunctions during a fire fight.
Pat

glad to see at least some people have some faith in Stag. ^
my 2H upper has been problem free since I bought it (over 5000 rounds ago)

mine has an RRA parts kit in it, and I feel you on the rough trigger pull, but the price was right and it hasnt failed.

I polished the trigger group to the point that it would function to get me through the weekend. I didn’t send it back 'cause I figured I voided the warranty.

No doubt, I agree completely. But in a world of compromises, Stag is not at the bottom of the junk bin by any means. I repeat here often… I am not a LOE or in the service. My rifles are used for personal entertainment, my Glock 17 is my bed-side buddy. I am not putting my life on the line with my rifles until the day the Zombies come out of the erath and start eating brains. Hence… I never plan this day to arrive :smiley:

For the sporting user, Stag is a nice company because you know that even 5 years later… should the rifle fail, Stag will have your back. I paid $845 for my 1L last year and at that price I would buy another one any day of the week.

I understand and respect the different oppinion that LEO/Soldiers have about thier weapon and thier life. I pray for all of you in that situation… Please dear lord, protect those that protect us. The shepards are those that keep the sheep quitely grazing and the wolves hungry and at bay. God bless the sheppards of humanity. Amen.