Engineering a Middy to shoot Wolf Ammo

I’m putting together a middy and would like it to shoot cheap Wolf steel cased ammo reliably. From what I’ve been able to gather there are two main problems that folks are experiencing when using this ammo: failure to extract and short stroking. I know these two problems aren’t exclusive to the steel cased ammo but they do seem to be more common.

Perhaps the extraction problems are caused by insufficient obturation of the steel case which leads to a faster and higher rate of chamber fouling. So cleaning the chamber more often might be an easy and obvious solution. What other considerations should be given specifically to the extractor when shooting steel?

Regarding short stroking, I think a standard carbine buffer is the way to go, and I have a standard $4 carbine buffer spring, made by CMMG, measuring 11"… Any special considerations for the buffer spring?

What am I missing, why are there so many who claim to have problems with Wolf ammo?

I have a BCM middy, BCM Auto BCG, H Buffer. I shot about 80 rounds of wolf the other day and had no malfunctions. Sticking with a carbine buffer would lower changes of short stroke.

Do you happen to know what the gas port diameter is on the BCM middy? I suppose I could email them to find out…

I shot about 150 rounds of steel case on sunday with an H buffer and BCM FA BCG and no issues.

Just run the middy the way that it comes from BCM. Plenty of guys are running it with wolf with out problems straight out of the box. Use the carbine buffer and standard buffer spring.

Did not go with the BCM upper - but I know the gas tube diameter on what I’m getting is going to be .081 and was curious how it compared to the BCM

BCM doesn’t list the gas tube specs, I couldnt find them. Send them an email, they respond quickly.

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I agree with the others. You shouldn’t have to do anything. I’m using a BCM middy and have over 500 rounds of just wolf through it without any problems. Using BCM everything - receiver extension, buffer spring, H buffer, BCG, etc.

Rob_S wrote a bit about this on his site.

When shooting steel cased ammo I tend to lube the gun much more heavily than I normally would, and have run into very few issues.

When i owned my BCM middies i ran them with H buffers.

Im currently running my Noveske Recce with an H buffer as well and between the three uppers i have well over 4k rounds of wolf through them all. Not a single stuck case. I am by no means saying it cannot happen but if you have a proper spec chamber, keep it RELATIVELY clean and lube the snot out of the rifle you shouldnt run into any issues.

Yes its dirty, yes stuck cases happen but its worth it, at least to me to be able to run cheaper ammo. :slight_smile:

I shoot Wolf all day long in the collection of parts I call an AR… Unless I’m mistaken you shouldn’t have to do anything special.

Buy good parts and the thing should run.

Has over 500 rds of the Wolfe ammo no problems of any type so far.

Over about 1500 rounds of Wolf through cut-down BCM middy, one stuck case, no other problems.

I use a carbine buffer and Colt carbine buffer spring in most of my mid-lengths.

I have shot a few hundred rounds of Wolf through a couple different Noveske mid-lengths without any issue, I had an older Sabre Defense 1/9" twist mid-lenght that would reliably shoot Wolf ammo, and another student put approxiamtely 1,000 rounds of Wolf through one of my BCM mid-lengths in a 2 day carbine course a few months ago. The only issue was one of the Wolf casings got stuck in the chamber at the end of the day on training day 2.

The BCM mid-length had been through another carbine course and some other training and recreational shooting without being cleaned (approximately 3,500 rounds) before it was used in the LMS carbine course. The gun was not cleaned and another student used it during the entire class shooting Wolf (approximately 1,000 rounds) and was not cleaned. So the gun went uncleaned for approximately 4,500 rounds (1,000 of that Wolf) before a spent Wolf casing got stuck in the chamber. The gun had no other issues (ie. short stroking, etc). Over the years, I have seen quite a few Wolf casings get stuck in the chamber of AR’s.

More info can be seen in these two reviews:


03designgroup | [b]LMS Defense Carbine 1 After Action Report [/b]


03designgroup | [b]BCM Complete AR15 Upper and Lower Receivers [/b]

Those are impressive numbers for any rifle/ammo combo.

There’s another really good thread regarding Wolf ammo on the general discussion forum:

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=46148