Have no Idea how that one slipped passed me.
I knew that too, because a big issue with Israel bombing Iran has always been the distance.
Still, my point stands. Iranians aren’t savages, and the conflict between us is a natural result of US policy and the overall instability of the region. If the U.S. Never backs the Shah, the embassy is never taken over.
Again, China comes to the USA Govt’s aid and turns Obama into a dictator. Your thoughts toward China are…?
Your facts are wrong, but your conclusion is right, ok Dan Rather. 
Damn, I never realized that! Holy smokes, I think this is the first time I’ve seen in a role as a young man.
More proof the left/right paradigm is a ruse, new boss, same as the old boss:
http://www.wnd.com/2017/02/the-coming-clash-with-iran/
Yes, I realize the wnd source, but there are quotes from Flynn.
Here’s my original theory on the topic, that the deal was intended to fail and cause war:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?172377-The-End-Game-War-with-Iran
It has been a few years since I was in a position where I was briefed on such things.
But key parts of Irans drive to get nukes is located in tunnels dug by North Korea experts (seems they are the best at tunnels for warfare). The key parts are so deep in the mountain that JDAM’s just will not be enough to get the job done.
I don’t know what the west or Israel is willing to do to stop the Iranians from getting the bomb. But what I do know is as soon as they get the bomb and a delivery system, they will use them. It fits the theology of the leadership of Iran.
To add to Yoni’s post… The problem, is, as Firefly said, the theocratic government of Iran. They are composed of the Twelver sect of Shia Islam and believe that it is their holy duty to foment violence in the world in order to hasten the return of their so-called messiah, the 12th imam. If we nuke them, they get what they wanted all along… world conflagration. That said (and I could be wrong), the reason why I think that Iran doesn’t have the bomb as of this writing is that they haven’t used it yet.
Is this why we had all the carriers home for a bit, so we could surge them?
There is a very simple bottom line here.
There is no way around it.
When all is said and done,
Having the capability to make nuclear power means you can do a weapons program.
You can nit pick over what centrifuges are for and accounting for waste material,
But at the end of the day,
Having the capacities, material, and ability to make nuclear power means you have the pre-requisites for a weapons program.
Sanctions reinstated.
From the Wall Street Journal today 8-8-18:
China, Russia and India say they will continue to buy petroleum from Iran, despite U.S. sanctions that would prohibit those sales, although banking difficulties are hampering their ability to invest in the Islamic Republic’s oil fields.
Crush their economy and cut off their access to international banking. Crush their ability to sell oil on the market. The people will get sick of their shit and erupt. When that happens we have to be ready to support them. Israel and the Suadis have to be ready to support as well.
I was a student at the University of Arizona at the time of the Iranian Revolution and Embassy takeover. I had neighbors where I lived off campus who were Iranian students. Nice people, and very secular. They indicated their student visas were being revoked and nervously were returning to Iran. Two applied for political asylum in the US and I know for sure one got to stay. He is now a very successful medical doctor in the Phoenix, Arizona area, and big time Republican.
Of all the Nations in that part of the world, Iran has a high level of sophistication and outward looking people. There is a huge segment of that country who want a secular, modern society, living in peace with the rest of the advanced world. Iran has to be fixed from within, and that means aggressive efforts to support the people themselves to take control of the situation.
G-D bless Trump. He will help bring the government in Iran down and the Persian people will finish them.
Give the people 5 years to tear down the terrorist support, nuclear weapons research, Al Quds, then you will see a real peace treaty between Israel and Persia.
Yeah, we don’t have the best history with the Iranians/Persians - definitely not clean hands. I don’t disagree with allowing the Shah to come to the U.S. (because we have to back our bad guys, even when the chips are down), but that it even got to that point was a complete failure of U.S. foreign policy. I won’t even get into our position in the Iran-Iraq War, because hindsight has undoubtedly clouded my opinion.
I will say that I supported Obama’s Iran deal. It wasn’t perfect, but it was a solid start to reengaging with an important country that has legitimate historical grievances with us. I don’t see how unilaterally tearing it up benefits anyone, unless your goal is to start a war with Iran while having no international support to do so. Backing out of the deal was a win/win for the Iranian regime.
Yeah, it’s pretty pathetic - I would much rather we had an ally in Iran than being in bed with House of Saud. Fifteen of nineteen 9/11 terrorists were Saudi - you don’t have to be a foreign policy-fellow at Rand to extrapolate from that.
Discussion about our history with a single country during the cold war, without discussion about how the cold war was the focus of ALL FOREIGN POLICY decisions, is either disingenuous or ignorant.
I think ISIS has pretty decisively debunked the idea that only/mainly Saudi muslims can be recruited into terrorism.
I’m not a foreign policy-fellow, but I do know where EFP’s came from.
I’m not trying to avoid debate about the US’s foreign policy shortcomings, just keep it honest.
Yep, the proxy war in Yemen is Iran v. Saudi Arabia. I doubt that they are going to cry if Iran falls apart.
The major problem here, I think, is having to deal with an enemy (twelver shia) that believes that they need to foster strife in the world, even if it means sacrificing their own people, in order to hasten the return of their so-called messiah, the twelfth imam.
Not really going to be an issue. The streets of Iran are burning and have been more or less for 6 months. Sanctions are in place. EU is saying they will violate the sanctions, but companies in the EU want to sell their stuff in USA. Sanctions will hold.
Economy will get worse.
The leaders are going to overtly start their program again, Israel will stop them. After a few reactors melt down, more ammo for the people to over throw the regime.
When the day comes and it will come, religious leaders, religious police, Quids, they all will be killed.
Think the French revolution, not the American.
Yoni, I was hoping you would chime in and you did. Thank you. I really hope you’re right.
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I am old enough to remember well the hostage ordeal. The previous actions by the U.S. government didn’t matter to me then (as a freshman in high school) nor do they matter to me now. A few years later, in 1983, as I was immersed in Infantry OSUT at Ft. Benning, 241 U.S. military personnel died in Beirut. Yeah, technically it was Islamic Jihad/Hezbollah who were tagged as the culprits, but we all knew who was really behind the proxies.
It has been long enough to focus on more recent actions by the theocratic government of Iran. Kind of like the incessant whining here about “slavery” or “social injustice”. Get over it, it’s the past that none of you has actually endured.
Our biggest ally is perhaps the Iranian people themselves. The vast majority of them don’t even remember the Shah, let alone were even born when he reigned. No overt military action needed. An intense support or even encouragement of an insurgency is the ticket. Obama blew the previous chance.