Empty Hand CQB

I know this is a gun forum and everyone here has a firearm or several of them or is considering buying a firearm. My question is how many of the people in this forum know how to protect themselves if they should lose their firearms? What if an intruder or mugger or who or whatever made you lose your firearm? What sort of action would you take next? I know there are different levels of alertness and responses to threats. I am curious as to what others would use or do in a life threathing situation. :confused:

I would pull out my knife and stab the hell out of them.

Hopefully I have maintained at least a 6 foot reactionary gap. If he has penetrated that gap either by suprise or force, I will employ weapon retention techniques to aid in preventing the loss of my primary weapon. If he manages to get it, at that point I will attempt to disarm, as if he is that close and has taken my weapon I have to assume he aims to use it. If I cannot disarm either from fatigue, disparity of size or training, I will do and use whatever possible to kick the SH%^ out of him and get my weapon back, if it means stabbing him with my knife or pen, punching him with my spare mag or keys, poke him with a sharp pointy stick, scratching, clawing, biting, screaming like a girl, hoping my girl can kick his A$$ or whatever I can muster. :smiley:

I did pay attention in Dept. defensive tactics, and firearms retention training, etc. Even though I’m no longer with the Dept. I do still practice when I can, as they are useful skills for anyone to have.

-RD62

I like your train of thought. Most people dont think of using objects not normally considered a weapon to defend themselves. I especially like your thoughts on employing your girl to fight. Women are more devious so she might get the edge on the BG. :wink:

+1 or 2 of the knives I carry, one on each side.:smiley:

Anyone ever receive formal edged weapons training?

Some departmental knife training. They issued us a “utility knife”, a Buck/Strider folder. So under testimony you could say, “You know, it’s my utility knife, I use it for cutting boxes, seatbelts, driving screws, picking my nails, and for cutting you dumbass client!”. Seriously, I was told that. :smiley:

Anyway. I learned enough to know I don’t want to get into any freakin knife fight. Nasty! Learned enough to be scared. I’d rather face several armed gang-banger wanna be’s than one knife wielding bad guy who know’s how to use it.

We learned the six lines to cut across. Where the vital arteries/veins are close to the surface of the skin and approx bleed out time, etc. We learned some blocks, and disarming techniques. Against Joe citizen, or angry drunken wife beater they would probably be pretty damn effective. Against someone who knows what to do, I’m gonna have a pretty damn bad day.

If from your body language I can tell you know what you are doing, and you close within 30 ft of me with that knife, your gonna get shot in the face! I’m not about to try fighting you while holding my guts in my hand!

Knives are NASTY!

-RD62

Interesting question, I think about it very often. I am a good sized individual who keeps himself in decent shape. That, as well as living in often “difficult” N.J./Phila where I have defended myself and others numerous times in the street, gives me a degree of confidence if I lose or (as always happens) I am without a weapon. In this state CCW is an extreme rarity, so forget that. Even carrying a small knife has it’s hazards.

Exactly why I train three days per week in To Shin Do Ninjutsu. The training incorporates all kinds of dirty tricks with the express intent of doing whatever it takes to win and go home safely.

Great question indeed. I’m 5’11, 220lbs, in pretty good shape. I’ve had formal martial arts and combative training waaaay back in the day, and now taking some Gracie Jujitsu training from a friend. It’s very effective in street fighting. I highly recommend it. I feel pretty confident even without my firearm. Thank God I live in the free “Shall Issue” state of Florida, where you are allowed to carry in addition to your firearm, edged weapons, stun guns and mace if you are a CWP holder.:wink:

Is it? Gracie Ju-Jitsu strikes me as a form optimized for cage fighting.

Sorry for the misspell. From what I was told, Gracie Ju-Jitsu was developed buy the Gracie family in Brazil. It was taught to them from a Japanese Ju-jitsu instructor to defend themselves way back in the day, in appreciation of a favor or kind gesture they did for him. They modified the techniques into a very effective street fighting style that practically anyone can use. Some of the males in the Gracie family are pretty small guys but have effectively beat down all comers in the Tough Man contest a few years ago using this extremely violent, but effective Martial Art. The matches they competed in were over in seconds. There are only a few Gracie Ju-Jitsu instructors and schools here in FL or around the USA. They all have to be Gracie certified by one of the family members before opening or instructing in there form. Another great combat martial art is the Israeli Krav Mega. Google is your friend.

Understand about GJJ being highly effective in a one-on-one. The combo of GJJ and muay Thai basically revolutionized how MMA fighter train. That being said, I STILL question it’s effectiveness in a real fight.

Not that I’m some kind of bad-ass or something.

:smiley:

Krav Maga & escrima or Kali

I here you. Neither am I. I consider myself lucky if I survive any type of combat/street survival encounter. I first heard about GJJ while working at SOCOM years ago. The SOF community was looking at different styles of unarmed combat and for an easy to learn but effective martial art or combination there of, to train there guys.

FWIW, I’ve dabbled in different martial arts over the years, probably enough to be dangerous to myself. The only one that I truly thought was 100% real-world applicable was muay Thai. It’s a relatively easy skillset that can be quickly learned, and is extraordinarily effective.

It is not easy, however, and requires a very high level of conditioning.

I have no idea who you are, or your past experiences, but you are correct. I have been in more conflicts than most here would believe and can say firsthand that even a trained fighter can be at a disadvantage in a no rules street fight where anything can happen faster than one often expects. But, the training does pay off to an extent, especially when the fight goes to the ground as most do.

Good on you bro…Muay Thai is no joke. I actually saw a few fights while I was in Thailand. Very effective to say the least, but I ain’t that limber.:stuck_out_tongue:

hand to hand yes but hold a thai fighter at gun point and see what happen.

by the way I practice and teach Krav Maga and also train in BJJ and muy Thai

Well, duh.

I guess there are some martial arts that teach disarms (I know I learned how to take someone’s katana away from them when I trained in aikido) but I think there are highly specialized disarm techniques being taught out there that are probably more effective than generic ones taught as part of a “system.”

If that made any sense.