Electorial Suicide?

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http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/08/electoral_suicide.html

Iowa only went for Bush by 10,059 votes/0.67% in 2004. With 75,000 estimated illegals in the state, their projected vote would probably hand the Democrats a new 21,000 vote margin, meaning a Bush loss. Bush’s 2004 margin in New Mexico was 5,988 votes/0.79%. Having 85,000 illegal immigrants, their voting preferences would have likely led to a Bush loss by 17,000 votes. McCain would have undoubtedly lost Missouri – with its 55,000 illegals – in 2008 if illegal aliens had the vote (McCain only won by 3,903 votes).

It’s a very dangerous electoral game the pro-amnesty group of Republicans is playing. Never mind the irrefutable objections to immigration reform based on fundamental rule of law principles, national security concerns, and economic arguments, this type of legislation can also be clearly shown to lead to potential electoral disasters for conservatives.

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Make no mistake, this is the defining issue of our age, it must be stopped…

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Seems to me the immigration issue is “heads, you win; tails, I lose” for the GOP.

If they stonewall any form of immigration reform which includes a pathway for citizenship, they risk alienating the fastest growing demographic in the country and losing a generation of hispanic voters. And if immigration reform does go through, the majority of those new voters will presumably vote democratic.

The GOP needs hispanic voters. They just don’t seem to have found the right strategy. Playing hardball on immigration reform placates the base, but placating the base isn’t gonna cut it.

Immigration reform may appear to be electoral suicide, but pissing on the hispanic vote is demographic suicide.

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Brawndo has electrolytes.

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They need to take a hard look at their policies that are alienating over half of the country. Drop stuff that does not matter like the abortion issue.
Pat

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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/08/09/Whip-Team-s-Schock-Majority-of-House-Republicans-support-Cantor-s-DREAM-Act

Apparently it’s going to pass.

Well, one more thing to add to the “What the USA has in common with the Roman Empire” list.

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The Hispanics with money (non-hollywood) always go Republican don’t they?

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Yep, if they want any chance they need to DEFINE the terms rather than have the terms defined for them.

We need to be very much PRO IMMIGRATION as our country was built on immigrants.

We need to be very much ANTI ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. We need to stress that ILLEGALS undermine the legitimate immigration system and inhibit the ability of people to lawfully immigrate to this country.

I’m amazed that politicians constantly allow themselves to be painted into that corner.

And typically, those who come here LEGALLY, who pay money and invest time to do it right generally aren’t coming here for a handout. They are coming here for the chance to have a better life.

Those who don’t even respect our immigration policies, who basically cut in front of the line of everyone coming here “legally”, generally don’t do anything else the correct way and typically will be seeking handouts.

The Republicans need to promote the significant difference between the two hispanic groups because they have little in common with each other beyond language and cultural backgrounds.

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Electorial suicide is one thing and the suicide of a Super Power is another.

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Murder doesn’t matter-Alaskapopo

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If it doesn’t matter to you I can see how you would think it shouldn’t matter to anyone.

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Anymore advice for the GOP, hotshot?

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Murdering babies matters to me, but I don’t recall that being a major campaign focus of any candidate in the last election. I don’t really even recall it being brought up. Nevertheless, it matters enough to me that I would consider voting Democrat if one promised to do everything they could to make abortion illegal. Considering that there is barely a nickel’s worth of difference between left and right on the other issues, I would say that abortion and guns are two of the bigger defining issues.

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I don’t even know why I’m doing this, as arguing on abortion is futile. We are all locked in our perspectives, but I have 11 minutes until m next meeting…

I think Alaskapopo’s point was this:
Some Hot button social issues cut both ways. There are lots of single issue voters on the abortion issue on both sides. Most pro choice voters I know will never vote for a prolife candidate - period. Many pro life voters will never vote for a pro choice candidate - period. Hard core pro life candidates cut off huge parts of the electorate with that stance.

It is different than gun rights. I know of lots of pro gun voters who are one issue voters. I know of no anti gun voters who are. That issue really only cuts one way. In crass political calculations, that is why federal gun bans are tough to pass.

Personally, I would like the party of “small government” to stay out of my marriage, my wife’s womb, my email, my gun safe… If you think abortion is murder, don’t have one. The humanity of a fetus at say 10 weeks is a religious, ethical, moral issue. Scientifically, its not viable and its not a person. I’m personally pro life, but I don’t seek to extend my morality to the whole country. Saying a woman who has an abortion at 8 weeks is a murderer is exactly why the GOP has a huge gender gap.

If the GOP focuses on the budget and on the ever increasing reach of government, they win. IF they try and drag people back to the old testament, run away from science, and stoop to sexist, homophobic, and racially polarizing comments, they lose. The sooner they figure that out, the better. The country is an increasingly diverse, increasingly urban country. Reagan couldn’t get elected in this Republican party. That should say something.

Y’all have a happy day.

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FIXED it for you.

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The country is increasingly circling the bowl . . .

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Back on topic, why is this all about MExicans? Just because of a freak of geography they get to walk here.

What about sub-Saharan Africans that have had been dealt the shittiest sandwhich of the all? Why not give them a bit at the American apple pie?

What this has taught me is that if you can get 11 million or so people to ignore the law, you can get the law changed. The NRA is only half that, we need to get to 15 million and then tell them to take their gun laws and stuff it.

This fight was lost with the 14th Amendment. Once the tree of the illegal roots bears fruit, this game was over. Slavery and its after shocks screwing America again.

Pat- why not have the Dems give up their love affair with public sector unions, like FDR thought.

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Historically, around the world, stable nations are made up of one people, a group sharing ethnicity, language, and religion. Think of France, Sweden, Italy, Norway, Finland, England (just England, not the whole UK), Japan, Korea, and Egypt. Not the Benetton picture of what we’re supposed to be, but a historical reality.

Contra, conglomerates of multiple different peoples - with differing ethnicities, languages, religions, social mores, etc. - have generally been empires. Empires can be rich for a period of time, but they always decay and become unstable, and usually become brutal as well.

There are a few exceptions - artificial states created by more powerful outside forces assigning arbitrary boundaries based on their own interests or military achievements. Some glorious examples include Iraq and British India (including Pakistan and Bangladesh). These artificial and arbitrary states are generally not powerful, but highly unstable and fracture.

The US, through perhaps the 1960’s, was a nation. It had numerous immigrants at each point in time, but despite fears of non-assimilation with each wave, the vast majority of immigrants were absorbed and gradually become part of the national culture. I would argue that this worked decently but never perfectly, and started decaying rapidly in the 1960’s (along with most everything else). The US today could recover its status as a cohesive nation, with some improbable level of wisdom at all political levels, but the current trajectory looks like empire and dissolution.

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I run a construction company in Phoenix and come into contact with A lot of hispanics I would say a vast majority are conservative some just don’t know it.

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The last amnesty didn’t change how Hispanics vote. This one won’t, either.

Also, immigration and the build up of this country is greatly over thought of. Even during the 1800’s immigration at most counted for only 11% of the population growth, and usually in the single digits. It’s not like a quarter or a third or half the growth was due to immigrants. A lot of them came here for a year or a couple years then went back home, anyways.

I also think the 11 million number is bogus. They’ve been saying that for a long time as if the number of illegals here hasn’t changed in a decade.

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Welcome to the ignore list as you can’t seem to post without resorting to sarcasm and insults.
pat