I disagree. And believe me… I’m as anti Nonsense as is comes.
This thing strikes me as a valid baricade shooting aid just like the open class pistols have some of those barricade bars on them. It’s not for the vast majority of us.
I am not a very gimiicky person when it comes to AR’s. However, if you guys re-read what Ares is saying then it makes sense. This isn’t for every Mall Ninja or AR flavor of the month gadget lover.
They are targeting certain end users and certain applications. I’d like to see some more feedback about it.
Poked my head in the store today and saw it in use. Much smaller in person, although I didnt get to handle it. It has a place in comp. shooting for sure.
Markm is right. I spoke to one of the guys at Ares last week and he showed this to me then. The whole idea behind it is that you can put all of your weight up against a barricade and still have very stable and accurate full-auto fire. A palm sized (or head sized) group at 100m on full-auto is pretty good. This is the mindset that led to the creation of it. Coming from a company run by active duty Marines that have a pretty good idea about shooting behind a barricade, perimeter defense, checkpoint manning, etc., it is a well made and very logical tool for cetain types of activities.
The only real commercial application is competition, much the same as the Noveske barricade stop or resting a KAC handstop against a barricade for 3-gunning. It isn’t something that really has much of a place for home defense, bench shooting, etc.
The guys at Ares know their shit, so it is a solution for a problem, not a solution looking for a problem.
Had some more ideas last night after I posted, which is funny because I really don’t particularly like this. ;p But can see how some guys shooting certain ways really would.
You could really take a nice bit of weight off this (At a SWAG I’d say 20-25%) by running a 1/2" end mill vertically through the head part or alternately making three drilled holes through it (hell of a lot cheaper buying/sharpening drills I suppose) and possibly one through the center of the body without weakening it much structurally and still keeping most of the textured area. I was also thinking about some cop trying to watch over a barricaded shooter situation for hours on end and what a pain in the ass that might be and thought it might be nice to add a 1/4"-3/8" lip at the top front edge so it would “rest” or catch a window sill for example and not actually have to be “held into it” to be ready at a moments notice for someone running out. Still keeps the original function but adds a sort of “rest” feature to it. Good luck with your project.
Don’t tell me it is not gold LS_HD, I’ve already painted mine the same scheme.:eek: Got one of those Extreme Forceful Forward Fighting Intractable Noodle Nodules on order.
I can’t wait to show it to my buddies!
Agreed.
WOW, I expected this thing to be around $40. I guess maybe I just need to see it in person.
What would be a MAJOR advantage over say resting your railed forearm (with rubber ladders for traction) on a barricade/window besides a situation where you might need a little extra height?
This might make a little more sense on some type of LMG resting on a barricade but not a carbine.
Resting it on, isn’t going to give you the same solidity as driving it in.
It isn’t that it’s made from gold or a lot of parts. It’s just a bit of a pain in the ass to machine cheaply.
Aren’t there already other high quality options out there that do the same thing in a more practical manner? It looks way to big for the simple task it is doing and it seems that it would greatly impair a normal shooting grip when not in use.
Any pics with a normal shooting grip?
That may well be but the price is simply too much. 
Depending on how this one goes maybe will eventually make a Version 2 or something in the future. The client this was originally made for gave us a requirement of 5000 lb of direct pressure…
The Lip Idea is awesome and would be a great addition! Thanks.
I get the concept, but half a pound on the end of a rail for something that won’t see much use, and the cost on top of that… Maybe if it was polymer with a replaceable bolt-on aluminum or polymer knurled face, and cheap, I could see it’s place in the market.
Thats exactly what i was thinking. Would save so much $ and some weight. Also add some type of durable rubberized bottom for traction.
Really? Have you ever been in the military which is who I assume may have let the requirement? If so, then you should know that they aren’t always frugal.
Can the price come down? Sure. I can foresee it just like the Fusil magazines that were 49.00 a pop when they first came out. Quite possibly after AA reviews some of the comments here they may make some adjustments and refinements.
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At this point we are not able to even consider lowering the price. Trust me we would love for this thing to be under a $100 dollars.
It is machined from a solid chunk of aircraft grade aluminum and made 100% in the states.
This is a specialty item and we will not be producing thousands of these at a time. This limits our buying power and thus limits our ability to lower cost.
Unless this thing takes off in a direction that we are not expecting price is pretty much stuck were its at for the time being.
Having this produced over seas is not an option for us. We refuse to pay anyone that is not in the U.S. for labor. If other companies chose to support the Chinese economy that is their decision and we respect that. Our Company policies specifically prohibits it and we will not be changing that anytime in the future.
In a couple of months we will be able to release exactly who this was originally made for and who is currently using it.
I promise you will be shocked haha.
I don’t understand why a large percentage of folks are $hiting on this thing. Most shooters will never need it, for some shooters it will probably help out in a very specific way and probably do so expectionally well. Made in America, by americans, machined out of big hunks of aliminum for a VERY small market, I can see the price where its at. Good luck Ares, looking forward to hearing who requested it.
This device is intended to be repeatedly slammed in to different surfaces such as brick/wood/metal etc. We originally designed one that had a polymer body with a metal plate system. under simulated computer testing of the strength tolerances it failed to meet requirements that were set forth.
Because of the size of the market this is intended for an injection molded part would could have actually raised the end price of it. We would have to make up for the cost of tooling etc. average mold price for something like that could be around 10k.
I don’t think people are shitting on it at all. I think you have to expect on this board for people to look at things objectively and honestly and call it the way that they see it, especially when its in GD and not in the industry section.
It’s a small niche market for this, but in theory you could expand that segment by offering a well thought out part that would appeal to a broader base. There are similar parts on the market that offer a bracketing system and that is what this is competing with, so discussion on price and versatility should be expected. This is nothing negative about AA as they certainly make some nice products.