Ebola fun

I’m surprised nobody is talking about this around here.

Currently being in a state of employment limbo, I find myself driving around or doing other non-work related tasks during normal business hours. As such, I’ve had a little bit of time to catch up on what’s new. Apparently we’re all about to die, and nobody bothered to tell me!

Is this being discussed in the media at all? I don’t have a television. I get all of my news from general discussion sections on internet forums and 30-day-old articles shared on Facebook.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/outbreaks/guinea/

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ebola-totally-out-control-doctors-without-borders-says-n136856

Outbreak, or 12 Monkeys?

Ebola kills so fast that it actually keeps the disease pretty isolated. Viruses like the flu tend to have a longer incubation time and people are sick longer. That means a lot more chances for the disease to spread itself.

I was surprised to see that about half survived! I thought it was like 100% fatal. I’ll bet if you “survive” your organs are f****d (like kidney and renal failure…wonder what the long-term survival is).

ETA: I remember seeing something on TV a while back with a guy named Ken Alibek, who had worked on the Soviets biological warfare program (or was somehow associated with it). IIRC he said at one time the Russkies were trying to weaponize a hybrid of Ebola and the flu. The significance was the ease of transmission like the flu has but the overhwhelming fatality rate and horror of Ebola.

Actually, Ebola has a longer incubation period between 2 days and three weeks. Influenza is only 1-4 days (mean of 2). The real reason why you don’t see Ebola creeping up on your doorstep is the mode of transmission. Ebola requires person-to-person contact or handling infective animal reservoirs. That means direct contact with blood, secretions, etc. Some cultural norms in Africa aid in the transmission as it is customary for relatives to “handle” the body. Why people would want to dry hump a fly-covered, melting corpse is beyond me; chalk it up to natural selection. Contrast this with influenza transmission which can occur by respiratory droplet which travel a few feet. Thus, the scene in Outbreak where the person sneezes in a theater and infects the whole room is much more applicable to Influenza or better yet, Varicella (a true aerosol disease on particles less than 10 microns). An Ebola sneeze is only dangerous if you catch the snot spray or get a slimy handshake. :wink:

That is correct. The idea was to create a strain of Ebola that could be transmitted by respiratory droplet or aerosol. It was not successful outside of a laboratory environment to the best of our knowledge.

That’s so far- a lot of those will still die.

I lived and worked for 2 + years in Liberia (West Africa). And if this EBola really breaks out in that region they are screwed. There is little to no medical support there. Hospitals are pretty freaking scary. And sanitation is non exsistent.

The worst strain of Ebola, the Zaire strain, is about 80 to 90% fatal in all cases. The Sudan strain is somewhat milder, with a fatality rate of about 55% give or take, though some outbreaks have had upwards of an 70% fatality rate. There’s three other strains, Tai Forest, of which there’s only been one confirmed case and it was non-fatal, the Uganda strain, which historically has been about 35 to 50% fatal, and the Reston strain, which only affects monkeys. The current outbreak is the Zaire strain, though the this particular one doesn’t seem to be quite as virulent as past outbreaks. The fortunate very few who survive Ebola Zaire usually only get it mildly and often have very quick recovery. The survivors who did get it severely do have some long term effects, but from what I’ve read, major organ failure usually isn’t one of them. Ebola is a completely systematic disease and if it has destroyed one major organ, it’s probably destroyed them all and the case is fatal.

Another reason why Sub Saharan Africa is not a place I would like to go. In addition to the Ebola viruses, there’s the closely related Marburg virus, Lassa fever, Crimean-Congo fever, Rift Valley fever, plus bubonic plague and a bunch of other bad bacterial diseases, and of course, AIDS.

Seems like an inevitability. There’s almost zero education on the matter - half the population probably thinks it’s a curse sent by a warlord’s witch doctor.

Worst outbreak yet, three countries, 600 confirmed cases and counting, no containment, one strain. Unfortunately for the rest of us, there are airports in West Africa.

My limited reading on the matter left me with the impression the dividing line is whether actual hemorrhaging starts in an individual; if your body can fight it off before major tissue damage, you’ll probably be OK. But once it crosses that line, there’s basically no hope, and the cause of death is multiple major organ failure.

I have no doubt that we’ve weaponized all sorts of nasty shit. There’s a range in Colorado that the F-111’s out of neighboring states would use and the TTP if an ejection was to occur was STAY IN THE CAPSULE. A PJ in a spacesuit would get winched in, hook up the capsule to a helicopter, and they would fly the entire cockpit capsule to a safe place for decontamination before the pilots could even pop the canopy. We’ve invented some horrible, horrible shit over the years. I have no doubt that the stuff we’ve made could wipe out every human on earth in such short order that the only thing left would be uncontacted tribes in the amazon and a bunch of news footage of the apocalypse.

http://www.infowars.com/report-ebola-suspected-in-europe-broken-through-all-containment-efforts/

This obviously proved to be false, along with about 90% of all infowarsdotcom stories.

Does Alex ever answer for all of the alarmist bullshit he circulates for personal profit?

Before your time here we had a number of well spoken individuals who routinely posted that crap. Thankfully after some constructive criticism they’ve either disappeared or adjusted their commentary to at least sound sane.

Imagine if one was to mix rabies in with the Ebola and flu, I imagine the result would be similar to 28 Days Later.

Umm, no. Rabies is a disease with an incubation that ranges in weeks to years. Rabid people do not run around trying to eat your brain. If you look, there are several videos showing the progression of rabies in a human. You will see that they behave nothing like what you see in 28 Days Later, I Am Legend, or WWZ.

That was a movie which means that it was suppose to entertain you. It has no basis in reality. Zombies do not exist, nor will they ever.

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That’s what they all say… until the zombies come.

Obviously they do exist or you wouldn’t have been so direct about it. You are probably in the process of weaponizing a zombie disease right now to take over the world.

Just like aliens in Area 51 that took down the Twin Towers and hid all the WMDs in Iraq and have been using HAARP to control my mind.

I know how you gubbamint types are.

That is why I have tinfoil! Hah!

:smiley:

Seems the “totally out of control” phrase is being tossed around by more organizations

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27953155

Original comment:

‘‘The reality is clear that the epidemic is now in a second wave,’’ Bart Janssens, operations director for Doctors Without Borders in Brussels, told the AP. ‘‘And, for me, it is totally out of control.’’

I can understand when a man on the ground, witnessing the carnage first hand, feels like it’s “out of control,” but I definitely don’t think that’s a phrase that should be in media circulation.

Gotta love those Docs Without Borders types; they go insert themselves in the worst shitholes in the world and start screaming that it is out of control. I have a suggestion - tell Dr. Janssens to go to the center of Africa, look around, and let me know what he thinks is in control. To the left we have kids getting their arms cut off for not mining enough diamonds, to the right there is mass famine and war, look down and there is rampant crime, look up and see the Muslims pillaging our embassy. Truth is, Africa has always been a disaster, is a disaster, and will continue to be a disaster - no matter what the progressives want us to do.

And that is the heart of the issue. Progressives will inflate any story to get the industrialized world further into the mess that is Africa. I suppose its part of the white guilt that we are supposed to feel. From global warming; to controlling the spread of HIV; to fighting malaria; to killing some murderous warlord; everybody wants us in Africa. Hell, we even created an Africa Command with an African looking General (we wouldn’t want a white guy commanding Africa, sends the wrong message) to supervise the mess. Too bad the disaster that is Africa rubbed off on the leadership, right Gen. Ward? Listen folks, ain’t nobody gonna fix Africa except the Africans. There is a famous saying - TIA. I suggest you respect it.

Transient ischemic attack?